An FX Loop on an amp was originally a compromise. Guitarists wanted reverb after their cab like in the studio, but it was impossible in the early days. So amp makers made an Effects Loop placing it the closest to “after the cab” as possible, which is before the power amp.How do Fractal achieve this, since there is no block between the Pre and the Power?
It is not possible to place it between pre and power amp, and most of the time this is not needed to get the desired effect.
The designer has already said (elsewhere) to put the reverb before the amp block for "traditional" spring reverb sounds.Would be interesting to hear from the designer about this.
this has been discussed over the past 10 years. place the reverb block before or after the amp block for your desired result.Would be interesting to hear from the designer about this.
It’s the same thing, for all practical purposes. Fender’s reverb and tremolo are in the same position that an effects loop would be, if it had one.i do not mean an Effect Loop, i mean the traditional Vintage Fender location for the Spring Rev and i believe the Tremolo as well.
this has been discussed over the past 10 years. place the reverb block before or after the amp block for your desired result.
But it’s not the same as having it between preamp and power sections of the amp.
It's close enough. The preamp of a Fender doesn't distort much, if at all. Therefore it can be considered linear. Linear systems are commutative. Therefore reverb before the amp is the same as reverb between the preamp and poweramp.But it’s not the same as having it between preamp and power sections of the amp.
Technically, but not in the logic you presented. Where an effect loop on later amps may have been a "problem"(per your explanation), in the Vintage Fender world, its simply the "Sound", and it passed many auditions without a need to "Repair" it... That's what i meant.It’s the same thing, for all practical purposes. Fender’s reverb and tremolo are in the same position that an effects loop would be, if it had one.
Are you saying the color and EQ of the Pre going into the Spring is the same as the Spring going into the color and EQ of the Pre...?It's close enough. The preamp of a Fender doesn't distort much, if at all. Therefore it can be considered linear. Linear systems are commutative. Therefore reverb before the amp is the same as reverb between the preamp and poweramp.
Yes. They are linear systems. Linear systems are commutative.Are you saying the color and EQ of the Pre going into the Spring is the same as the Spring going into the color and EQ of the Pre...?
Good to know. Thanks.Yes. They are linear systems. Linear systems are commutative.
To be honest, “the sound” passed the auditions mostly because it was the only option available. Unless you had a studio with a reverb chamber or a plate (or even a spring reverb you could use after your signal hit the desk). In which case, most people opted for that instead. Not sure where you were headed with the “problem” and “repair” references.Technically, but not in the logic you presented. Where an effect loop on later amps may have been a "problem"(per your explanation), in the Vintage Fender world, its simply the "Sound", and it passed many auditions without a need to "Repair" it... That's what i meant.
To be honest, “the sound” passed the auditions mostly because it was the only option available. Unless you had a studio with a reverb chamber or a plate (or even a spring reverb you could use after your signal hit the desk). In which case, most people opted for that instead. Not sure where you were headed with the “problem” and “repair” references.