Firmware 13 BETA Feedback?

FractalAudio said:
They can talk about it. It's no big secret that we are doing it.

It depends a lot on the particular IR. In general I find it makes the sound less "direct". You can hear more of the room (unsurprisingly).

One of the best things is that you get better resolution than High Resolution mode but with less CPU usage. My test preset uses 46% CPU with a normal resolution cab, 54% with a High Resolution cab and 50% with an Ultra Res cab. So a 4% savings in CPU but higher resolution than hi-res.
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:) Sooo good to hear from FAS on this - UltraRes + AXE FX II XL will satisfy all of my gear acquisition needs for 2014 ... unless, of course, Sir Cliff has more tasty treats for the ear cooked up and ready to serve in 2014 ... I'm just sayin! ;)
 
Sacha said:
Very stoked to try this. Something is 'not right' with IRs in my opinion, I've tried a million of them. I don't care how close they might be to cabs according to analysis etc., my ears tell me there's something amiss compared to a real cab still.
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This has been covered very often. An IR is not a cab. An IR (in most cases) is a near-field capture of a mic'd cabinet. Totally different thing.
 
Scott Peterson said:
The 112 and 212 wav files are UltraRes ready to convert; the 412 have to be recompiled yet; that will happen soon but Kevin has not specified a time line. He's aware and it's on the roadmap for him.
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Wow - considering how awesome the OH 112 and 212's sound - this is great news!

UltraRes Ready! :)
 
Scott Peterson said:
My commentary on V.13 beta with UltraRes:

Boiled down (instead of my more wordy attempts to describe things): I hear UltraRes as this - the lows more than the mids; but it's tangible. Once the machine and entire eco-system behind creating these are in place; that'll be something else. The cumulative effect of the more detailed modeling and this together is as clear as day in a 1-to-1 comparison to prior firmware in terms of feel. It envelopes you rather than sits in front of you. Again, I am operating in a purely direct-to-FOH manner and feel that these gains just go further and further to legitimize and engage the direct-to-FOH guys. It's very inspiring here to work with this. Comparing tones from v.12.02 to v.13beta running UltraRes is eye opening.


I perceive it as an enormous amount of work/dedication/focus to capture those little details and nuances. The devil is, as always, in the details. These are the things that make this platform more inspiring and engaging to work with. Nothing is overlooked because it is too much to undertake. It's the 'ease' and 'definition' of the IR that seems to allow the new modeling engine to breath and sing. Boiled down: It envelopes you rather than sits in front of you.
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Machine as is ... XL?

:lol where NDAs permit please don't hold back on the number of words Scott - you have a way of creating an image - both visual and aural - about the products and services you review. And those images are golden ... IMHO. :)

EDIT: "the new modelling engine?" OK now you have my curiosity peaked! :)
 
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Morphosis said:
This irritates me. Does this mean, the 8K data will be stored by pressing "Save" and can be later DUMPed to CabLab? I thought you`ve that to do immediately after capturing BEFORE saving the IR in the Axe to prevent loosing the 8K RAW data?!?!?!?!
IOW: The RAW data will be saved in the AXe-Fx, so you can DUMP it later to convert in UltraRes?
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From the 12.03 release notes:
"Added Dump feature to IR Capture utility. After an IR has been captured pressing this button will dump a full, unprocessed, 8K sample IR to the USB port."

So what I was saying is if he did the capture/export since 12.03 was released, it will be 8K.
 
yek said:
When I loaded the UltraRes IR in the Cab block, set to Ultra Res, the Earth trembled!
Fireworks appeared in the sky. And little shiny fairies shot stars with their magic wands, whispering "XL ... XL ...".
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You just got to envy the dutch for their easy and legal access to weed :-)))

Just Kidding Yek - and I hear you on the XL part.
Unfortunately the little shiny fairies would have to scream at my bank manager and not whisper for that to be possible anytime dare I say .....soon :-)
 
A question to Cliff and the beta testers - is there a difference in the quality of the tone matches as well when exporting as an UltraRes IR ??

Case in point, if I make an tone match of a great acoustic guitar and dump it as a hi-res and as an UltraRes, will there be a difference in sound quality, feel and resolution ??

Thanks
RB
 
yek said:
This has been covered very often. An IR is not a cab. An IR (in most cases) is a near-field capture of a mic'd cabinet. Totally different thing.
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Obviously. I was referring to a near field recording of an actual cabinet, vs. an IR. IRs still don't sound as good, to me.
 
yek said:
When I loaded the UltraRes IR in the Cab block, set to Ultra Res, the Earth trembled!
Fireworks appeared in the sky. And little shiny fairies shot stars with their magic wands, whispering "XL ... XL ...".
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:o with little short dresses and wings! :encouragement:

I love those things and tried to bring one home once! :)

Unfortunately, my wife wouldn't hear of it! :(
 
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Sacha said:
Obviously. I was referring to a near field recording of an actual cabinet, vs. an IR. IRs still don't sound as good, to me.
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With all respect, how can you possibly know that?

Are you the owner of a very expensive studio with access to many of the actual cabs and mics available to you that you can A/B against all those IRs, oh and are you an expert at mic placement to boot?

Because if those things aren't the case, that means you're just judging by IRs you've tried out vs various prerecorded guitar tones (tones most likely in mixes no less) you've heard, which means there are probably hundreds if not thousands of variables you can't possibly separate from the listening experiences of each one, so you can't possibly know what you're talking about.
 
Two things:

- First, I wanted to ask if UltraRes will be an improvement for all users or only those with the ability to capture IRs with their equipment?

- Secondly, just wanted to mention that this sounds like the big step that I've been waiting for. I think a lot of us, primarily FRFR guys, sometimes feel like the sound is very direct and doesn't "envelope" the player, so to speak. I think this new UltraRes improvement could really do a lot for an FRFR setup because it would bring the sound out more and spread it out.
 
GreatGreen said:
With all respect, how can you possibly know that?

Are you the owner of a very expensive studio with access to many of the actual cabs and mics available to you that you can A/B against all those IRs, oh and are you an expert at mic placement to boot?

Because if those things aren't the case, that means you're just judging by IRs you've tried out vs various prerecorded guitar tones (tones most likely in mixes no less) you've heard, which means there are probably hundreds if not thousands of variables you can't possibly separate from the listening experiences of each one, so you can't possibly know what you're talking about.
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Lol, I like how you preface something with 'all due respect' and then treat someone like a noob / child. Try not be so fucking patronizing. As a matter of fact, I have ran a recording studio for the last nearly a decade, and have had many amps, cabs, and mics, and had a lot of practice with mic placement and comparing tones. Not that I need to justify myself to anyone for having an OPINION on gear / tone. Put your tampon back in and deal with it.

PS Obviously Cliff himself thought something was missing or he never would pursued the UltraRes technology. I'm not sorry I'm excited about that.
 
Sacha said:
Lol, I like how you preface something with 'all due respect' and then treat someone like a noob / child. Try not be so fucking patronizing. As a matter of fact, I have ran a recording studio for the last nearly a decade, and have had many amps, cabs, and mics, and had a lot of practice with mic placement and comparing tones. Not that I need to justify myself to anyone for having an OPINION on gear / tone. Put your tampon back in and deal with it.

PS Obviously Cliff himself thought something was missing or he never would pursued the UltraRes technology. I'm not sorry I'm excited about that.
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It is getting so F*@^$%ing old these people mouthing off about someone they know absolutely nothing about. Great response Sacha!
 
Sacha said:
Lol, I like how you preface something with 'all due respect' and then treat someone like a noob / child. Try not be so fucking patronizing. As a matter of fact, I have ran a recording studio for the last nearly a decade, and have had many amps, cabs, and mics, and had a lot of practice with mic placement and comparing tones. Not that I need to justify myself to anyone for having an OPINION on gear / tone. Put your tampon back in and deal with it.

PS Obviously Cliff himself thought something was missing or he never would pursued the UltraRes technology. I'm not sorry I'm excited about that.
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OK guys break it up - both of you - lets take this out to the private-message-school yard after school gets outs and not subject everyone on this thread to this ... please?
 
romanianreaper said:
Two things:

- First, I wanted to ask if UltraRes will be an improvement for all users or only those with the ability to capture IRs with their equipment?

- Secondly, just wanted to mention that this sounds like the big step that I've been waiting for. I think a lot of us, primarily FRFR guys, sometimes feel like the sound is very direct and doesn't "envelope" the player, so to speak. I think this new UltraRes improvement could really do a lot for an FRFR setup because it would bring the sound out more and spread it out.
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It's going to be good for all users because Fractal's mix-cabs will be converted, most likely. Ownhammer will convert his as well. Possibly others shooting their own etc.
 
tonaholic said:
It's going to be good for all users because Fractal's mix-cabs will be converted, most likely. Ownhammer will convert his as well. Possibly others shooting their own etc.
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IIRC, the conversion is only possible if the IR's are captured with a big enough time window. If the FAS IR's were acquired by the AXeFx built-in IR capture, before UltraRes firmware, then I think the IR's are windowed too short.

This of course could be all wrong :)
 
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