Why No Authentic Tab For Effects Types??

After sitting through this video, I’d be down for some additional genuine effect models:

 
A pedal is friendly and great sounding (or not) quickly

I don’t think that Kurt Cobain knows the resistor / component in his small clone, if it was this or that, he probably don’t give a fuck, like 95% of musicians.

You try pedals , you like the sound, you record with it.

Some pedals are mythic, so when you buy a modeler you want to have them perfectly reproduce in terms of sound and visual . Nothing strange . It’s not being dumb or whatever . Advanced tweaks are interesting , but when you want to eat something sometimes you don’t really care if this meat got 36,7654% protein you know ?
These are tools to play.

Dont know if every car owner knows how a motor work and really care .
 
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My name is mud said:
artists and albums « we » love are done with old school rigs with tubes amps and pedals. I cannot mention a cult album done with a modeler .

A pedal is friendly and great sounding (or not) quick.

I don’t think that Kurt Cobain knows the resistor / component in his small clone, if it was this or that, he probably don’t give a fuck, like 95% of musicians.

You try pedals , you like the sound, you record with it.

Some pedals are mythic, so when you buy a modeler you want to have them perfectly reproduce in terms of sound and visual . Nothing strange . It’s not being dumb or whatever . Advanced tweaks are interesting , but when you want to eat something sometimes you don’t really care if this meat got 36,7654% protein you know ?
These are tools to play.

Dont know if every car owner knows how a motor work and really care .
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I see your point, but sometimes the little things count.
 
ruso said:
After sitting through this video, I’d be down for some additional genuine effect models:
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Hadn’t seen that and it’s fun to see the degree of nerdiness that goes into these recreations. There is one part of this video I think has some bearing on what we are talking about here. The discussion is about the Astra modulation pedal, cued here to the relevant segment.

 
la szum said:
Will I be extinguished for asking this? Has it be been beaten to death before? :)

Maybe I am in the dark, but I wonder if there is an "Authentic" Tab in the Amp Block
that mimics and mirrors the acxtual controls on the face of the amp being modeled,
then why is there no such thing for any of the effects types?

Am I wrong for thinking there should be? For instance, I have an old MXR Script 90
Phase pedal that has one control. Couldn't there an an Authentic tab in the Phaser
Block that simply varies the Speed of the Phase, and then another Tab for those
who want to go deeper and tweak to their hearts content?
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+1

Would LOVE this for modulations and delays especially.
 
OP has a good idea supported by many valid points made by many in the thread. Adding a "simplified" of "basic" tab would be a welcome addition for some. I can definitely follow the logic where, since its a pedal that the block represents, the familiar and generically typical controls for a _________ pedal should also be represented clearly.

The crowd sourcing effect blocks thread was also interesting, as was the suggested GUI ability to hide settings, together they may add up to something for future consideration for sure, maybe for next gen, that's a deep discussion for the devs if they so choose.

Perhaps a simpler solution that could be implemented without too much effort may be to identify (re-label) what are the typical controls used for each effect block by labeling the parameters in bold, or perhaps using all caps, different font, etc. This way no additional GUI controls are needed, no additional tabs needed, and both "customers" get what they want. It also has the benefit of having all users in the same tab, and see what other parameters are available outside the typical ones, and they can expand their knowledge on their own time while allowing for quick, pedal-like controls at a glance. This removes or changes nothing for those more advanced and versed in the finer details of the parameters. Of course this isn't perfect as some typical pedal controls modify more than one parameter at a time, but it would be a welcome and useful improvement for many as evidenced by the responses in this thread.

Anyhow, just a thought. I personally appreciate the hell out of having unprescedented access to all the parameters one could ever want and know what most of the typical controls are.

Great discussion all.
 
unix-guy said:
The Drive block is already authentic on the main page...

You're probably thinking of the Darkglass B7K model.

I think the challenge is the authentic view is sort of an "all or nothing" for each block. So for something like the Phaser that has both "real" models and "general" types, it wouldn't apply.

Of course, that's really a question for Fractal. These are just my opinions based on past experience and related posts.
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Maybe blocks like phaser and delay that are modeled can have a separate block with authentic tabs. Or maybe have authentic tabs for all blocks where the tab just copies ideal for things not modeled.
 
wish that the effects should be as authentic as can be on tab 1
Boss Chorus should not be overly complicated on the basic tab and I for one would love to ses a authentic Tab (mirror image of the OG)
OFC i do like the advanced parameters but keep that on advanced tab not Basic/authentic

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The effects blocks do not have the same range of adjustment as the real pedals. They purposely have wider ranges for more flexibility. Only the Amp and Drive blocks currently have control ranges and tapers that match the real deal.

I could take or leave "authentic" controls display, but I certainly wouldn't mind having more device specific effects models. I've long wanted a Small Clone chorus model. There's something about the swirl on that one that is tough to dial in on the Fractal models.
 
I’d be very much up for an authentic page.

When HW pedals are designed, there are very purposeful decisions made on what controls are available to the user, what ranges the controls have and essentially this limits the kind of results that the user should expect to achieve. If you make everything infinitely versatile, the expectations on what the user can achieve become extremely wide and unpredictable.

Does this mean users might find even better sounds than the original HW? Possibly, yes.

But with a well designed circuit, the best sounding and most useable ranges are already exposed to the user and anything else is taken care of. Having less options available with specific results in mind is far more creative and fun to use than having everything available at once.

Anyone who disagrees is the sort of person who enjoys programming things like an H3000 or DX7 or this for fun. They’re capable of great sounds, but for every GREAT sound there is millions of unusable garbage.

The Fractal layouts aren’t as extreme as those above - they’re still fairly nice to dial in. But there is absolutely something to be said for having less controls in front of you. Something well designed shouldn’t (always) need extreme amounts of control.
 
Years ago when I've got my axe fx standard I was confused by all this parameters and numbers and stuff... It was pretty hard to set up nice sounding presets for me. Almost frustrating experince.
Then I've read the manual (heh) and found something interesting. After this I just started treating the device as a tool for creating tone rather than recreating it and since then I really enjoy this level of control.
 

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Years ago when I've got my axe fx standard I was confused by all this parameters and numbers and stuff... It was pretty hard to set up nice sounding presets for me. Almost frustrating experince.
Then I've read the manual (heh) and found something interesting. After this I just started treating the device as a tool for creating tone rather than recreating it and since then I really enjoy this level of control.
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Love the flexibility. I love using things in different and creative ways. I also love tweaking different parameters. But isn't the point of modeling to model something? As in recreation.

If I'm not mistaken, fractal does exactly that but also allows for extreme flexibility, as if you have a virtual soldering iron and an incredible array of electronic parts with and insane gradient of values... That you can attach LFOs, pitch/envelope followers/ASDRs. Insane

I don't think anyone wants that to change. They just want the option to be able to grab a memory man/carbon copy/univibe and tweak the exposed parameters of the OG unit, OR mod and tweak it with insane control, all without having to reference every original unit through researching when it's already time to go.

It's two approaches that I don't think have to be mutually exclusive. Depending on time constraints you choose one: how important it is to be able to tweak, whether you have an hour or two to explore, whether you're currently on a tone mission, or you know that pedal x does that one thing when the 3 knobbies look like this and you only have 15 minutes to boot up the daw/turn on the axe/tweak the tone/tune the guitar/lay down the part.

For instance.. I usually live on the Authentic page of the amp block. If i want a ballpark jtm tone, I don't want to accidentally start tweaking knobs that don't exist on a jtm. Sometimes I want to try to make an old fender make death metal tones by tweaking things that are not available on the OG🤷‍♀️. I love the ability to choose my approach. Would be nice on all the effects.
 
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