The problem is this is a product designed a GUITAR PLAYERS. Some of the most self possessed, nerdy, stuck in perpetual adolescence, spoiled, people of all time! OK, OK! I'm only HALF kidding!!!!
You forgot .."Right of Entitlement"
The problem is this is a product designed a GUITAR PLAYERS. Some of the most self possessed, nerdy, stuck in perpetual adolescence, spoiled, people of all time! OK, OK! I'm only HALF kidding!!!!
But since this actually hasn't happened yet, everything is still okay.
Richard
But no one can answer this but Cliff! And I don't think he's going to until it's released. All these speculative questions and opinions are nutty. NDA restricts those who know from speaking. T^here are reasons why NDA exists.And that's why it is a question. Probably I am not the only one thinking about this.
Man! Nothing like worrying before you have it. Worry and fear based on almost nothing. Come on guys! Apply a little patience.
But no one can answer this but Cliff! And I don't think he's going to until it's released. All these speculative questions and opinions are nutty. NDA restricts those who know from speaking. T^here are reasons why NDA exists.
Something else I am afraid of is, if the modeling is not yet perfect and needs more improvements in later firmware releases, will that affect how my patches using tone matching sound? Because that would really suck. If I invest quite sometime to match a tone and I get it perfect I would not like that to be altered by just upgrading the firmware.
If you want an exact spectral match, this isn't the product for you. Well, you can do it but you have to use the synth block and generate test tones, etc. The idea is to get the basic flavor of the sound. You can then go from there. With a little practice you can get very close matches. It requires some user interaction. With time you learn the nuances of how to achieve a better match. Playing certain things helps the analyzer get better results.
We give you the creative tools. You then explore...
Does it bring something else besides the improvement in the amp modeling that Cliff mentioned? Like something new that is directly related to the dynamics and distortion in relation to the tone matching block?
I also think it is better having everything as automatized as possible. If the tone matching process could detect and capture the dynamics and distortion that would be so much better. Then we could always adjust to taste afterwards.
Something else I am afraid of is, if the modeling is not yet perfect and needs more improvements in later firmware releases, will that affect how my patches using tone matching sound? Because that would really suck. If I invest quite sometime to match a tone and I get it perfect I would not like that to be altered by just upgrading the firmware.
FWIW, I prefer the second tone.Which one is the real amp?
Nothing ever rests on it's laurels with the Fractal gear while the platform is under development. Nothing is perfect, not modeling or tube amps or anything. Otherwise, they'd stop making new tube amps. They are perfect... right? (Just playing with the straw man fallacy you put out). No modeling is not perfect and frankly, it never will be. Neither are tube amps. Far from perfect and proud of it.
Plenty of folks find their tones and then stop loading up firmware updates. Nothing wrong with that.
BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
People gloss over or forget that it is easy to back up all your presets as-is; load in new firmware, have a go with it for a spell and then decide. It's easy to then downgrade your firmware, and restore your saved presets.
The problem with not upgrading or going back as is suggested in numerous occasions is that just miss everything else that the Axe Fx will offer, such new effects, new features and new amp models. I understand that until now if you created a patch and the modeling changed/improved that affected how it sounds and you had no choice but to rework it. My concern/question here is if the tone matched patches will also be affected by this in the same manner. If I invest my time to match a considerable amount of amps or tones to make it as accurate (or perfect) as possible will I be forced at some point to choose between upgrading/augmenting my Axe FX features, amp models and effects or having to redo my previous work. I think it is a valid concern.
Well a tube amp might not be perfect but it sounds 100% (perfect) as tube amp since that's what it is. The reasons why they keep creating new amps have nothing to do with that since an amp always sounds like amp.
Since the Axe Fx model amps I guess that main goal is to get it as accurate or perfect as possible when compared to the real amps. Also unlike you I do believe that perfection in this case is possible or at least as close to perfection that us (humans) cannot discern one from the other.
The problem with not upgrading or going back as is suggested in numerous occasions is that just miss everything else that the Axe Fx will offer, such new effects, new features and new amp models. I understand that until now if you created a patch and the modeling changed/improved that affected how it sounds and you had no choice but to rework it. My concern/question here is if the tone matched patches will also be affected by this in the same manner. If I invest my time to match a considerable amount of amps or tones to make it as accurate (or perfect) as possible will I be forced at some point to choose between upgrading/augmenting my Axe FX features, amp models and effects or having to redo my previous work. I think it is a valid concern.
I'll give you a couple of examples. Imagine a studio or producer that builds a library of artist matching tones patches for different songs providing A/B comparison clips and makes them available. Will those need to be reworked and updated in future releases so they sound the same way?
Another example would be an artist recording at different studios that have the Axe Fx. This artist has an Axe at his place and tone matches several of his amps. Now consider those studios having different firmware versions in their Axe Fx. Will the artist be able to bring just his patches from home and sound the same everywhere or will the studios need to put the same firmware version the artist used when he created the patches?
You could perhaps add this feature to the match block in a future release. Not for me but for people who don't know how to do it.
A couple of things seems like shenanigins to me.
1. You have a low post count.
2. You are fear mongering by bringing up an old gripe about having to tweak the AxeFx. That one has been griped about ad-nauseum.
3. Your posts are longish. That in and of itself is not necessarily bad. But IMO, negative posts that are longish, are suspicious.
I agree with Scott, your concerns appear to be a straw man to me also.
Richard
That's funny. It seems that every time somebody asks certain questions or raise some concerns in forums owned by the product company, somebody believes there must be some hidden agenda. I never understood that but I guess some people take this as religion when it is only gear.
1,3. Should I just post about anything just to increase my post counter then? My posts are as long or short as I consider necessary. I prefer to take the time and write a detailed post to answer someone or ask a question that covers all the points instead of writing dozens of posts. In this case I was answering to Scott.
2. I am talking specifically about the new feature of tone matching. It is just my opinion, but I believe it would defeat its purpose for me if the tone of the patches I do with tone matching change over time by just upgrading the firmware. I don't have a problem with that happening in regular patches since when I create one I am not trying to match anything.
Artic Myst said:.
Since the Axe Fx model amps I guess that main goal is to get it as accurate or perfect as possible when compared to the real amps. Also unlike you I do believe that perfection in this case is possible or at least as close to perfection that us (humans) cannot discern one from the other.
Well a tube amp might not be perfect but it sounds 100% (perfect) as tube amp since that's what it is. The reasons why they keep creating new amps have nothing to do with that since an amp always sounds like amp.
Since the Axe Fx model amps I guess that main goal is to get it as accurate or perfect as possible when compared to the real amps. Also unlike you I do believe that perfection in this case is possible or at least as close to perfection that us (humans) cannot discern one from the other.
The problem with not upgrading or going back as is suggested in numerous occasions is that just miss everything else that the Axe Fx will offer, such new effects, new features and new amp models. I understand that until now if you created a patch and the modeling changed/improved that affected how it sounds and you had no choice but to rework it. My concern/question here is if the tone matched patches will also be affected by this in the same manner. If I invest my time to match a considerable amount of amps or tones to make it as accurate (or perfect) as possible will I be forced at some point to choose between upgrading/augmenting my Axe FX features, amp models and effects or having to redo my previous work. I think it is a valid concern.
I'll give you a couple of examples. Imagine a studio or producer that builds a library of artist matching tones patches for different songs providing A/B comparison clips and makes them available. Will those need to be reworked and updated in future releases so they sound the same way?
Another example would be an artist recording at different studios that have the Axe Fx. This artist has an Axe at his place and tone matches several of his amps. Now consider those studios having different firmware versions in their Axe Fx. Will the artist be able to bring just his patches from home and sound the same everywhere or will the studios need to put the same firmware version the artist used when he created the patches?