Axe-Fx III 16.00 Beta 5 "Cygnus" Firmware - Public Beta #2

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Greg Ferguson said:
Yes! I’d rather see the Fractal models err towards making the models be the best examples of what they are, rather than the best example the manufacturer shipped.
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This this this!

I remember hating fender amps for that reason early on in my playing - they were biased so cold 🥶 they sounded so sterile and harsh!
Later on I learned to tweak and adjust bias and quickly realized that those same amps I hated came to life with sweet sweet tones!

There are so many inconsistencies with amps, and so many corners usually cut to make an amp cost 2000 instead of 12,000. The axe has none of these restraints, and we can have better sounding and playing amps than even our heroes did with the SAME real amps! Why would we not want this is beyond me.....I get the 'authentic' thing, but some of these things worked terribly, and were badly designed, and had so many areas cut to keep cost down and marketability high.....

I remember a band I was in where we bought 3 of the same amp, cuz it was a killer amp and we could dial 3 completely different tones on it.

It boggled our minds why when we set everything exactly the same, the 3 amps sounded very different!

Amps are going to sound different, even identical amps will sound different. Hell, the SAME amp sounds different depending on the time of day and humidity and temperature and all that!

Give me the idealized, best example of the amp in the best tweaked way it can sound. Authentic is great, but idealized is better. This is 2021, not 1960. We are driving fast, efficient, versatile, feature rich, electric luxury vehicles nowadays, if you want completely authentic go back to a bumpy horse drawn cart and tell me how much you prefer that, all because it's authentic...
 
Since MV makes a real amp play louder or lower, a player with the real amp would set MV the high he needs it to fit in the volume of the band, right? He would not turn it lower and getting lost in the volume on stage just to have that XXX sound, right? He also wouldn't crank it further and start a volume war.
So when you are looking where someone else had his MV, be sure it was because of the sound and not because he needed a certain volume.
 
chris said:
when i approach amp models, i know going in that Drive, Bass, Mid, and Treble are going to act differently on different amps. i have to experiment with these and see what they do per amp model. but i enjoy that other things like Master Volume are sort of similar between models, so it's one less thing i have to learn per all amp models. there are other parameters on both sides, but just mentioning those for now. actually, the Jazz120 model comes up often due to how the MV works in the model. people think it's broken, but it was modeled as is. i can't imagine that for all 280+ models.
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There are 2 sides of this coin: one is the position/setting of knobs, the other is the sound of those setting. As long as I can replicate the sound/feel/tone of an amp, even the interaction of the knobs, I prefer to have consistent behaviour of the controll in all modeled amp.
I don't mind if I had to set the master to 4 instead of 1,01, if I had the sound. I've played hundreds of real amps, and the first test I do is sweep the knob to learn how they affect the sound. For Axefx I wish consistency, so I don't have to make the same test 300+times... :)
 
666was999 said:
Since MV makes a real amp play louder or lower, a player with the real amp would set MV the high he needs it to fit in the volume of the band, right? He would not turn it lower and getting lost in the volume on stage just to have that XXX sound, right? He also wouldn't crank it further and start a volume war.
So when you are looking where someone else had his MV, be sure it was because of the sound and not because he needed a certain volume.
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This. We have the luxury of dialing in the Master Volume for the best tone. People who use real amps don't have that luxury.
 
666was999 said:
Since MV makes a real amp play louder or lower, a player with the real amp would set MV the high he needs it to fit in the volume of the band, right? He would not turn it lower and getting lost in the volume on stage just to have that XXX sound, right? He also wouldn't crank it further and start a volume war.
So when you are looking where someone else had his MV, be sure it was because of the sound and not because he needed a certain volume.
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That's a great point! Often times things will sound different from venue to venue, and volumes would differ wildly too. In an open air festival you would crank way higher than a small club, and the controls would be very different to boot!
 
Can you also imagine adjusting some of these things at your gig live?

Drummer tells you to turn up a tad....

You go from barely audible at 0.9 to blasting everyone's ears off at 1.2

Your drummer is screaming at you to try another amp instead, that one is making his ears bleed...

You go to crank up the new amp, but this one barely adjusts after 3.....

He tells you to add some high end, you go from 0.9 to 1.1 on the presence dial and blast his ears off again.....

Sounds like a fun jam right? I'm sure he'll LOVE your axe fx, cuz it's SOOOOOOOOO authentic....
 
jon said:
Can you also imagine adjusting some of these things at your gig live?

Drummer tells you to turn up a tad....

You go from barely audible at 0.9 to blasting everyone's ears off at 1.2

Your drummer is screaming at you to try another amp instead, that one is making his ears bleed...

You go to crank up the new amp, but this one barely adjusts after 3.....

He tells you to add some high end, you go from 0.9 to 1.1 on the presence dial and blast his ears off again.....

Sounds like a fun jam right? I'm sure he'll LOVE your axe fx, cuz it's SOOOOOOOOO authentic....
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Drummers are the most annoying species. Not only when they play, but also when they complain :D
 
jon said:
Can you also imagine adjusting some of these things at your gig live?

Drummer tells you to turn up a tad....

You go from barely audible at 0.9 to blasting everyone's ears off at 1.2

Your drummer is screaming at you to try another amp instead, that one is making his ears bleed...

You go to crank up the new amp, but this one barely adjusts after 3.....

He tells you to add some high end, you go from 0.9 to 1.1 on the presence dial and blast his ears off again.....

Sounds like a fun jam right? I'm sure he'll LOVE your axe fx, cuz it's SOOOOOOOOO authentic....
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To get more output (volume) without changing the amp tone, you can (should) use the block's Amp Level control, not Master Volume. So the Master's taper wouldn't matter.
 
yek said:
To get more output (volume) without changing the amp tone, you can (should) use the block's Amp Level control, not Master Volume. So the Master's taper wouldn't matter.
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Oh yeah totally, but the point is that not all of an amps 'nuances' are always that great or useable in a practical situation. In a controlled setting like a studio or bedroom, sure there is no concern, but a lot of us also use the axe live and in many different situations too. The above example is what would happen with a real amp.....not necessarily the best thing ever....

I love most of an amp's nuances, but if something is better or more useable and useful, then lets not stand in the way of progress and improvement

Authentic is not ALWAYS the best thing...
 
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Has anyone noticed that the Friedman BE/HBE sounds a little "off" under beta 5? I tried a preset that I had dialed in with Beta 4 which sounded great to me and now under beta 5 it sounds fuzzy/mushy to my ears, even after a reset. Might be how the amp sounds now but just wanted to put it out there. Kind of has that sound characteristic of the JVM when it ended up having an error in it a bunch of firmwares back.
 
Overcaster said:
Either it's psychoacoustics or something like that. I noticed a bit of a change
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IMHO, a key to truly enjoying this magic box is somewhat akin to the experience of proper suspension of disbelief when enjoying a pro magician whose act you witness evolve over the years , or being a follower of fantastical media like the MCU, wherein you place complete trust in the creator(s), be they Feige, Copperfield , or Chase, whose approaches have been proven effective and even visionary, making each new movie, illusion, or firmware a positive progression from what has come before , building on the collective knowledge and participation of everyone who is involved, both directly or otherwise , something worth celebrating.
or not.
 
You can live without touching the MV at all in the axe. I still don’t understand where is the problem . This is seriously the only button I never touch lol. It sounds great by default most of the time so ?
Let it like this @FractalAudio !

warning guys . If you continue to dislike cliff’s choice like this , you will be forever banned for the “fanboy team of hell” FTH©. 🤣

joking ...

seriously this last beta is just great . I don’t feel any problems for now, and i am a big boring picky guy sometime . Just continue to updates all the amps that way and all is good !
Thank you for This sound improvements everywhere . I need to do a metal demo
 
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