i just read the entire thread. i am NOT arguing here and i am not trying to start a fight. but i personally have been told that i don't know how to read and that my comments were basically wrong and off-topic. i simply have to respond to that by presenting facts.
i have to say, mbrown3 unfairly snapped at lqdsnddist and consequently at everyone else who discussed the shipping. here are the things he said about the shipping early in the thread, all of these from separate posts/responses:
At this point, I’m leaning toward the Kemper because 1. Less expensive (especially re: shipping),
Yeah, that's a good option. But the shipping cost makes me gunshy about this.
The shipping cost won't make or break it either way...but when you're trying to decide between two otherwise very similar/equal devices, it can push things one way or another…. When you add it to the already more-expensive cost of the unit itself, you bet it matters...
It's one more factor...not the most important, or even important. But it's a factor that goes into the mix with everything else.
I know this doesn't bother other people, and maybe it shouldn't bother me either...but it does.
It may seem inconsequential to some people, but in all honesty, I was ready to pull the trigger when I saw the shipping costs, and my initial thought was, "WHAT?!? F that!"
I'm not going to change my mind on it. It's too much for shipping, period.
You guys may think it's crazy but I'm hung up on why 20lbs of gear costs $80 to ship. But, again, I'd prefer to leave it at that. I'm not going to change my mind, and you guys aren't either.
But I'm simply not paying $80 to ship 20lbs of gear, no matter how "worth it" people think it is.
After all of that lqdsnddist stated
[Shipping is] a major point of contention keeping the OP from buying an Axe
look how many times and what mbrown3 stated about the shipping above. to me, i agree that up until that point in the thread, it seemed to be a major point of contention. one of them he even says "I'm simply not paying $80 to ship 20lbs of gear” which means he would not buy the Axe-Fx new based solely on the shipping, right?
later he said again:
I'm not paying $80 for 20lbs of product, period. I'll wait for a free shipping promo or buy used.
only 4 or so pages into the thread did he show he is considering other ways of getting the Axe-Fx, as long as the shipping cost is lower than $77. regardless, it still confirms that paying $77 for shipping, the official way to buy one new, is a major point of contention.
i feel mbrown3 called out lqdsnddist and others who mentioned the shipping inappropriately. he said
No, it's not. Did you read the thread?
and
Thanks for the douchy post that misses the point entirely.
after a ton of posts, very late into the discussion he said something that was stated differently from everything else he said previously:
The shipping cost is NOT a deciding factor. I don't know how else to say that. I simply mentioned that it bothers me that it costs $80 to ship 20lbs worth of gear. The end. .
perhaps this is what he originally meant in each of the posts i quoted above. but it is not what was said, and is not how it came across. up until that point, he did not say anything that communicated that shipping cost was not a deciding factor. read the first quotes posted here. do those sound like shipping was not a deciding factor?
"it bothers me that it costs $80 to ship" is very different from “it’s too much for shipping” and “I’m not paying $80 to ship.”
then he went on the offensive saying “reading is hard” regarding people's reactions to his statements on shipping, and "I will say that one knock on the Axe-FX is that some of its users apparently don't know how to read.”
we know how to read. we read what mbrown3 said, the things i quoted above. it seems clear that mbrown3 kept mentioning the shipping over and over, and the mention was “it’s too much for shipping” and “I’m not paying $80 to ship” it, yet kept telling other people to stop mentioning the shipping in the discussion.
if people keep mentioning shipping and you don’t want to discuss it, stop writing about it. ignore those inquiries and focus on whatever you wanted to focus on in the thread. but with as many times as it was mentioned, by the OP himself, it clearly was an important part of the decision making process and a big part of the discussion until the point 4 pages in where he finally said "shipping is not a deciding factor."
the reason people reacted how they did is because it seemed as if shipping indeed was a deciding factor based on the words used that i quoted at the top of this post. when he finally did say shipping is not a deciding factor, the queries about shipping stopped.
please don't tell me i, and others, don't know how to read.
this is not an off-topic post. this is not an attack. this is a response to specific things said by the OP of the post in his own thread. that's as on-topic as you can get.
now who will sell and ship their Axe-Fx to him for free? let's get this going already
