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AITR

Daveis

Inspired
If Mk 1 users use their NVM today for FullRez IR’s what will they be giving up tomorrow when profiling needs NVM space?

The Mk 2 has NVM space for FullRez and future profiles and only Cliff knows what else. The Mk 1 doesn’t and I can accept that its not going to get everything the Mk2 gets forever.
 

skategeezer

Inspired
Some answers:
1. This will currently only be available on the Axe-Fx III Mark II. Our other products do not have the NV memory to store the large IRs. I will look into ways of possibly supporting this on the other products. The Mark II has double the NV memory of the Mark I. All the NV memory on the Mark I is allocated. If the demand is great enough one possibility is to reduce the number of slots in the User IR banks and allocate the freed memory to FullRes slots.

2. The CPU usage is not too bad. A FullRes IR uses about 10% more CPU than a regular IR. I haven't done that much work on optimization so it may be possible to reduce this.

3. The primary use is for "room mics" and short-to-medium convolution reverbs. The two clips I posted were done using room mic IRs from Celestion. Those IRs were 500 ms.

4. I'm hoping IR vendors will embrace the technology and start offering room mic IRs with at least one second of response time. This assumes they use a suitable live room to do their captures.

5. We are going to our local studio in the coming months and will shoot a bunch of room IRs there. They have a very nice live room with good acoustics.

6. A new version of Cab-Lab is in the works that supports the creation of FullRes IRs.
So does this mean if we own 500ms 96k IR's we will be able to load those as well with FM 17.0?
Asking for a friend.
 

AJ Vargas

Experienced
Didn’t preset space double from the mk1 to mk2? IIRC, that’s what the “fuss” was about. Cab space may have increased too but I remember the chatter being about the preset space.

That too... IIRC, the IR space was a thing too among people who loaded entire cab packs instead of just auditioning via Manage Cabs or Cab Lab. It was around the time the Mikko plugin was launched too which added to the discussion.
 

artzeal

Experienced
I can't project much from just a finger in the batter. I'll wait until the cake comes out of the oven, then sample a few slices to establish how extensively I'll use it and what to pair it with.
 

skydog

Experienced
Listened to clips more than a few times. played them live through my systems. For me, I guess it’s not reflections that account for AITR. It’s something different. It’s more of an amp pushing speakers, whether it’s loud or not. I know it when I hear it. In a small jazz venue, or a large blues and classic rock joint.

I can already get it, with my axe fx 3. I specifically don’t use the cab block for it. Instead, I have the main path (with cab block) going to FOH. The other path omits the cab block, is routed to my QMC ss amp, and into two 12’s. I get AITR, because I have an amp in the room.

I play out live, so this isn’t my use-case.
 

Analog

New Member
Wondering if you could still use/audition FullRes IR's on the Mk1 via axe-edit as they don't currently fit on the internal flash?
 
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vangrieg

Fractal Fanatic
Close mic'ing has been a standard born out of necessity, not out of what's ideal. It results in cutting out a lot of a guitar's tone or feel. We've just become accustomed to it, now defending it as the ideal guitar tone. I've seen rig rundowns of players that use as many as 4 to 6 mics in a live setting trying to replicate as many nuances of a cab/speaker they can.

Well, to bring things back into perspective, that necessity is called "mixing". A process where you cut out frequences, dynamics, "feel" from individual instruments so that the overall result sounds good.

Adding reverberation to each instrument may create that "feel" for players, but together in most cases the result will sound like a pile of mud. Especially if everyone brings some random room sound with him.
 

fremen

Fractal Fanatic
Vendor
It's up to Cliff to decided to "sacrifice" user bank 2 or not. Personally I use that bank, it's almost filled with commercial IRs from various vendors or free IRs from people like brother Leon etc. - I don't use them in my presets but they're there for reference. I would prefer to keep that 2nd bank, but I also want to check those room IRs, and I know I can't have both. I doubt I'll use fullres IRs a lot, let alone make my own, but it's gonna be interesting
 

yoitsmegabe

Inspired
I'm actually relieved that this is the feature I'm missing from the mk1 and not something bigger. I'm not crazy about irs. I use cabs from the legacy bank. I don't even know what's new in the axe III. I was excited for the feature for headphones. I'm just glad it's not a new block or profiling block. If that were the case I'd probably upgrade even though I probably don't need whatever new thing it is anyway lol. I'm one of those guys that tries to get his tone back to the way it was as soon as a firmware changes it. I'm happy with my sound. It's a good place to be.
 

TSJMajesty

Power User
Well, to bring things back into perspective, that necessity is called "mixing". A process where you cut out frequences, dynamics, "feel" from individual instruments so that the overall result sounds good.

Adding reverberation to each instrument may create that "feel" for players, but together in most cases the result will sound like a pile of mud. Especially if everyone brings some random room sound with him.
That's very true. Maybe it was posted here, but I watched a video in which the worst guitar tones ever were highlighted. "Worst" meaning, in isolation, yet sounded fabulous in the context of a full mix. Over The Mountain was one, and I couldn't believe it.
Paul Gilbert has that same thing going on, wherein his isolated guitar sounds quite trebly, yet works perfect in the mix.
 

Patzag

Fractal Fanatic
That's very true. Maybe it was posted here, but I watched a video in which the worst guitar tones ever were highlighted. "Worst" meaning, in isolation, yet sounded fabulous in the context of a full mix. Over The Mountain was one, and I couldn't believe it.
Paul Gilbert has that same thing going on, wherein his isolated guitar sounds quite trebly, yet works perfect in the mix.
Don't forget that the isolated guitar tracks are often/usually/mostly post-mix. Meaning what is isolated is the sound after the engineer has worked his craft, chopping here, boosting there, etc. This has then little to do with the original tone of the guitar as it sounded coming out of the amp.

So when you "tone-match" an isolated track and say "that's what the original sounds like" well, no, not really. That's what worked in the mix with that specific bass track, these drums, those strings and synths, etc.
 
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