V6 firmware: Time to Release the Monster - Speaker Resonance Page

Funeral said:
Thanks a lot Scott and Jay. I will admit that Im a speaker resonance newbie, but Im working on it.
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+1 for me. I will tweak away on the regular amp parameters, but have shied away from these sections out of sheer ignorance of what they do. This will give me an educated way to jump in. Thanks for the work, and sharing the findings.

Scott Peterson said:
I don't share presets when I do this on purpose because the goal - selfish or not - is to have people teach themselves how to listen to these things. You can't judge it or form an opinion until you try it at volume. Change it up, check it out and then post your opinion. You might like it, you might not. I am confident you just might. Means nothing if you do not check it for yourself though. Trust me.
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Absolutely LOVE this way of thinking.
 
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Stereospace said:
All we need now is someone brave enough to post a list of all the speakers hz's here (thats included with the Axe) - then we can use that as a ballpark :)
Hint hint scott!
*cough*
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Here is the Free Standing Resonance for some of the speakers I use the most from the IR's in the Axe-FX:

G65 - 75Hz
G12H - 85Hz
G12M - 75Hz
V30 - 75Hz
C12N - 90Hz
Blue - 75Hz
T75 - 85Hz

Add 10Hz and that's your starting point.

rsf1977 said:
hey scott how would you deal with a multi type speaker cab like i have v30s and T75s in the same 4x12?
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Well, I'd start at 85Hz and move it around till it sounded right. I check while I'm playing at about +90db. When it sounds and feels right? I stop.
 
Scott, gave these a try last night with several different amps/cabs and for me they DEFINITELY improved the overall sound and feel of the amps. The default settings are pretty good, but this really a step up in my opinion. I tried this on fender type, boogie type, marshall type, and vox type, all of them sounded and felt better!! You totally made my week with these suggestions!! And just in time for band practice this weekend!! I wasn't doing much of the NF/FF mix yet so I tried both of these changes at once. I'm not sure which one had more impact, but together it was a nice improvement!

Also thanks for posting the Low Res specs!
 
Scott Peterson said:
You are forgetting (maybe?) that this is NOT an Graphic EQ, it's not a parametric EQ, it's not EQ. It's how the speaker and amp work together. It does effect 'how' the amp reacts with the speaker and affect the frequency response, but you are NOT cutting 'mids' with changing this control.
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no, not forgetting that. just commenting on what my perception of the tonal changes were. there is a perceived drop in mid level (to me) when reducing mid res parameter

also...i always have the bright switch on with the jcm800 - much too dark and flubby without it, imo - so i tried reducing the pres and increasing treb and it sound nice...thanks man!
 
Celestion – Resonance Frequency, FS

Alnico

Celestion Blue – 75Hz
Celestion Gold – 75Hz
Celestion G10 Gold – 80Hz

Heritage

Heritage Series G12H(75) – 75Hz
Heritage Series G12-65 – 85Hz
Heritage Series G12H(65) – 55Hz
Heritage Series G12M – 75Hz

Signature

G12 – 50GL Lynchback – 75Hz
G12 EVH – 75Hz

Classic

G12M Greenback – 75Hz
G12H Anniversary – 85Hz
Classic Lead – 85Hz
G10 Vintage – 115Hz
G12 Century Vintage – 70Hz
G10 Greenback – 98Hz
G12M-65 Creamback – 75Hz
Vintage 30 – 75Hz
G10N-40 – 98Hz
G12T-75 – 85Hz
G12K-100 – 85Hz

Originals

G12T “Hot 100” – 86Hz
Ten 30 – 93.9Hz
Seventy 80 – 85Hz
Rocket 50 – 90Hz
Eight 15 – 109.7Hz
 
nater said:
Scott, gave these a try last night with several different amps/cabs and for me they DEFINITELY improved the overall sound and feel of the amps. The default settings are pretty good, but this really a step up in my opinion. I tried this on fender type, boogie type, marshall type, and vox type, all of them sounded and felt better!! You totally made my week with these suggestions!! And just in time for band practice this weekend!! I wasn't doing much of the NF/FF mix yet so I tried both of these changes at once. I'm not sure which one had more impact, but together it was a nice improvement!

Also thanks for posting the Low Res specs!
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scottburrow said:
Hey Scott, Thanks for giving us the insight to how this works. I changed all my presets last night and was really surprised how well they came out.
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Awesome guys - posts like that make my day.

I get all excited and want to scream from the rooftops when I stumble into these things... though I try to temper it a bit more now than I have in the past. ;) :D I honestly feel this was the big eureka moment for me once Jay shared the starting point to base this on. Wait till you gig it at volume - one nice thing too is that feedback is almost effortless on demand. Crazy good stuff.

Have fun!
 
Fro said:
Celestion – Resonance Frequency, FS

Alnico

Celestion Blue – 75Hz
Celestion Gold – 75Hz
Celestion G10 Gold – 80Hz

Heritage

Heritage Series G12H(75) – 75Hz
Heritage Series G12-65 – 85Hz
Heritage Series G12H(65) – 55Hz
Heritage Series G12M – 75Hz

Signature

G12 – 50GL Lynchback – 75Hz
G12 EVH – 75Hz

Classic

G12M Greenback – 75Hz
G12H Anniversary – 85Hz
Classic Lead – 85Hz
G10 Vintage – 115Hz
G12 Century Vintage – 70Hz
G10 Greenback – 98Hz
G12M-65 Creamback – 75Hz
Vintage 30 – 75Hz
G10N-40 – 98Hz
G12T-75 – 85Hz
G12K-100 – 85Hz

Originals

G12T “Hot 100” – 86Hz
Ten 30 – 93.9Hz
Seventy 80 – 85Hz
Rocket 50 – 90Hz
Eight 15 – 109.7Hz
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Fro - thanks for that man. Totally appreciate it. You rock!
 
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Perhaps not quite the same but while I was playing along with a backing track, I found I needed some more mids.
Adjusting the amp's mid control or even EQ'ing didn't do the trick.
Raising the mid res level however did!!
I'll definitely have a look at this method.
 
Scott Peterson said:
Here is the Free Standing Resonance for some of the speakers I use the most from the IR's in the Axe-FX:

G65 - 75Hz
G12H - 85Hz
G12M - 75Hz
V30 - 75Hz
C12N - 90Hz
Blue - 75Hz
T75 - 85Hz

Add 10Hz and that's your starting point.



Well, I'd start at 85Hz and move it around till it sounded right. I check while I'm playing at about +90db. When it sounds and feels right? I stop.
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Scott, any objections to me (or Yek maybe already did it) moving the bulk of this stuff to the wiki?
 
So, Scott, while you were spending all this time with Jay, did you happen to get any kernel of info about the new speakers . .. (Had to ask).
 
Scott, am I correct that except for the LFR, all other params for low/mid/high *should* be set (fixed) to the values noted in the OP?
 
Doesn't the 'baked in' profiling technique of capturing a great sounding amp+cab as one profile make this all unnecessary?? Also much less of a PITA for FRFR users?

Then just provide the 'unbaked' versions of all amps as well for the poweramp/cab & IR crowd. This just seems like a no brainer type of thing to me.

Come to the market with 50 of the worlds top amps profiled this way to perfection by professionals, and include all the actual amps Tonestacks.

Give me this with all the expected routing options, effects, dual amps, USB audio blah blah blah etc etc.............. and Houston we have a winner

So basically we are talking a combination of the Axe-II KPA units, but the best of both worlds and beyond.

This will be accomplished relatively soon. The question is will it be either of these companies, or someone else?? Great sound, most user friendly with all the required bells & whistles will ultimately win the day.

In the meantime I will make do with both "not quite ready for 'my' primetime" but best in class products. LOL
 
This method is sounding really good on the few presets I have tried so far. Thanks, Scott!

The only thing in your formula I can't agree with is the "no mic" thing.

I just cannot let go of the Royer 121! It just adds a little oomph that I miss when it's not there.
 
bjjp2 said:
So, Scott, while you were spending all this time with Jay, did you happen to get any kernel of info about the new speakers . .. (Had to ask).
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I did ask, but was referred to Tom King. I did get in touch with Tom and was told things are close and that any update would be shared on the Facebook page.

yek said:
Scott, am I correct that except for the LFR, all other params for low/mid/high *should* be set (fixed) to the values noted in the OP?
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As a starting point to all this (and a way to manage things realistically) - yes. That doesn't mean 'do not touch them!' but instead means, listen, and then change stuff and listen some more but the starting point gets you a smoothed out curve that matches reality. Look around the Net and look into what I said about how so many guitar speakers all have the exact same speaker resonance curve with the only real change being the resonant frequency... you'll be surprised. They are all surprisingly similar. It's eye opening.

willowdale said:
Doesn't the 'baked in' profiling technique of capturing a great sounding amp+cab as one profile make this all unnecessary?? Also much less of a PITA for FRFR users?

Then just provide the 'unbaked' versions of all amps as well for the poweramp/cab & IR crowd. This just seems like a no brainer type of thing to me.

Come to the market with 50 of the worlds top amps profiled this way to perfection by professionals, and include all the actual amps Tonestacks.

Give me this with all the expected routing options, effects, dual amps, USB audio blah blah blah etc etc.............. and Houston we have a winner

So basically we are talking a combination of the Axe-II KPA units, but the best of both worlds and beyond.

This will be accomplished relatively soon. The question is will it be either of these companies, or someone else?? Great sound, most user friendly with all the required bells & whistles will ultimately win the day.

In the meantime I will make do with both "not quite ready for 'my' primetime" but best in class products. LOL
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This is my exact response to your same word-for-word post from TGP: What seems 'no-brainer' to you assumes too much to work in realty across the wide spectrum of guitarists and musicians IMHO.

What happens then when you switch speakers or cab configurations? Even in the FRFR world, it will change your speaker resonance curve. You can bake it in, but then you are not working with *accurate* curves should you change any factors. What I am getting at here is idealizing it for your own needs. No automatic or default behavior here will match real life. If you change your speaker, speaker cab or add another cab, the tube amp you use will act, feel and perform differently. It's just physics.

What happens to the amp/poweramp/convential speaker cab folks? You need to edit it in order to match it correctly to your physical cab. IMHO, this is the #1 issue that faces and frustrates guys with these units - matching the amp and speaker cab interactivity.

How can any manufacturer - KPA/Fractal/anyone else - account for all the variables that the owner will add with a 'baked in' or 'default' behavior that's going to please everyone? The KPA guys will tell you, some of the profiles they have sound great, some not so great. No one box can please everyone and no box on earth can account for all the variables each different owner will expect. The KPA's strength is that you have so many profiles available to try/work with that the sheer number and range of them at some point will suit your needs. But you need to find it; and there are 1000's at this point to go through to do that. The Axe-FX is different, in that you can alter that part of the response to suit your needs/taste. This thread is directly a result of that quest from my perspective.

What I like about the box I have is that you can tailor and control the behavior to better suit your own tastes; with that power and control comes some responsibility to both recognize and understand that behavior and as I come to learn and understand more of these factors personally, I appreciate the exposed parameter sets to customize it to my own taste.

The same thing follows for you or anyone else.

Is it important enough to matter to anyone? My goal is for folks to at least try it and listen/feel how it works. I hope folks dig it; I surely do.

The reason I do not share presets on threads like this is that I want folks to hands-on dial it up, listen and learn to do this on their own. "Teach a man to fish..." in other words. Some will like it, some will not - the key is teaching folks to trust their ears. That matters to me more so than just handing a preset over and saying, hey - listen to this! That doesn't teach anything in most cases.


Mott said:
This method is sounding really good on the few presets I have tried so far. Thanks, Scott!

The only thing in your formula I can't agree with is the "no mic" thing.

I just cannot let go of the Royer 121! It just adds a little oomph that I miss when it's not there.
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Cool. If you like Royer, then use the Royer. We are not supposed all have the same sounds or taste. Nothing wrong with checking out my opinion and then taking from it what you like and making it your own. That's actually the point.
 
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