MOAEE - Electric Mistress Flanger

Many thanks JavaJunkie for sharing this !
Just downloaded and tried with the new AE feature... Sweeeeet !

I hope to see more effect blocks shared between fractalites , maybe in a new thread ...
Something like .... Blocks Exchange ...
Awesome !!!
Many thanks to all of you guys


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sounds great! one question - the delay time is attached to LFO1b,, but what are the settings for this? axe edit doesn't know what they're supposed to be from the block info...

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sounds great! one question - the delay time is attached to LFO1b,, but what are the settings for this? axe edit doesn't know what they're supposed to be from the block info...

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The controller block is included as well. You can load the controller setting just like you load the effects block.
 
The controller block is included as well. You can load the controller setting just like you load the effects block.

where can I find this controller block? and does this mean that from now one we can save controller and modifiers as 'blocks' as well?
 
Modifiers are saved with the effect block. Yes controller settings of a patch can be saved as a block. The block is in the first post in this thread. It is the second block listed.
 
Modifiers are saved with the effect block. Yes controller settings of a patch can be saved as a block. The block is in the first post in this thread. It is the second block listed.

Generally speaking ,We need to charge this modifier's block in AE or just copy it in the same folder Documents/Fractal Audio/ Axe-Edit/blocks and , for example ,the Flanger Block charged with your EHX will do automatically the changes ?
Thank you JJ for sharing this !!


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Modifiers are saved with the effect block. Yes controller settings of a patch can be saved as a block. The block is in the first post in this thread. It is the second block listed.

ok thanks. Very nice that you can now save controllers as blocks. That was on my wish list. Cool addition! Thanks again for the blocks. Really like the Medium flange sound. Have to get used to the matrix sound though. Not sure how and in what context to use this yet.
 
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i cant for the life of me figure this out, how do i load this i never got a block folder till i saved the flange block i created then it onloy saw that block even after i put the files in the folder what did i do wrong
 
Generally speaking ,We need to charge this modifier's block in AE or just copy it in the same folder Documents/Fractal Audio/ Axe-Edit/blocks and , for example ,the Flanger Block charged with your EHX will do automatically the changes ?
Thank you JJ for sharing this !!


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You copy it to the blocks folder, restart axe-edit, then in Axe-edit go to the controllers button and retrieve the block.
The flanger block will not automatically do that.
 
put the files in you block folder, restart axe-edit and they will appear in the blocks section on the left.
 
i cant for the life of me figure this out, how do i load this i never got a block folder till i saved the flange block i created then it onloy saw that block even after i put the files in the folder what did i do wrong

Same thing here. Seems the block folder is not created automatically. Fist you have to save a pre-existing block yourself and then the a block folder will be created. Then you drop the users blocks in that same folder. Restart Axe edit (don't forget!) and then you can choose the user blocks. Not the easiest or most user friendly method. I think once Axe manage is working this will be addressed. I guess this is just an 'interim' block method.

I think we need a separate block topic in the Axe Edit sub forum since many people don't know how to do it.
 
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I had this same question about the controller block and meant to post something when I got home from work. looks like it is asked and answered. I figured out how that works now. from the bottom left of the screen when you select the controllers button you can modify and then save those settings as its own block. very cool.
ctrl.JPG

Thank you. and the patch is very nice JJ.
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I need to try this in filter matrix mode to try and get the steel drum effect in the EHX effectology series.


EHX Electric Mistress

First sold in 1976, the Electric Mistress Flanger has certainly made its mark in guitar effects history. The two most popular variants of the Electric Mistress Line were the standard Electric Mistress and the Deluxe Electric Mistress. The Deluxe had an internal power supply (no batteries), a wider range of settings and fixed a volume drop affected early Mistress's. The one compared here is a version 2 of the Deluxe Electric Mistress. My unit is very old and has a ton of self noise. The difference between the Axe-fx portion of the sound clips and the real thing should be quite apparent due to this.

Here is a brief description of the various control from the Mistress manual:

FLANGER MODE:
The flanging effect can be thought of as a pitch slowly sweeping between high and low limits superimposed on the guitar signal. The RATE control allows you to change the rate at which the effect occurs. With the RATE control fully counter-clockwise, the effect occurs at the slowest rate. Turning the dial clockwise increases the rate to the point where the frequency of the input signal appears to be shifted in a vibrato-like fashion.
The RANGE control allows you to set the lower limit of the sweep. Fully counter-clockwise settings, where the lower limit is just below the higher, creates a very narrow sweeping effect. Turning the RATE control clockwise lowers the low limit so that the sweep extends further into the bass. In general, a faster rate (more cw) call for a narrower range setting (more ccw). A convincing rotating speaker effect may be obtained by setting the rate near maximum, the range near minimum, and the color approximately half-way.
FILTER MATRIX MODE:
Pushing the slide switch into the FILTER MATRIX mode disengages the RATE control. The RANGE control will now manually adjust the filter matrix. Proper manipulation of the range and the COLOR controls will enable you to simulate the sound of chimes being played in unison with your instrument, as well as many other effects.
The DELUXE ELECTRIC MISTRESS has been set at the factory for maximum color capacity in the FLANGER mode. Setting the COLOR control at its most clockwise point could cause an oscillation noise. This is normal! This oscillation may be reduced by a slight reduction of the COLOR control.

Comparing this to the parameters we have available on the Axe-fx II:
Rate = Rate
Range = Depth
Color = Feedback

As has been said, putting the Mistress into Matrix Mode disengages the Rate control. This means no modulation of the delay time. Turn the depth time to 0 to do this on the Axe-fx.

From my measurements the Electric Mistress uses a very straight forward triangle waveform. I have been told by another person that there unit exhibited a rounding at the top of the triangle on their unit.

On my unit at full depth the delay time goes from ~.8 - 6ms in normal mode
In Matrix mode the delay times go from ~1-10ms

The range on my Deluxe Mistress go from ~ .07 - 10hz. It is hard to tell at highest speed because the oscillation becomes total unstable at extremely high values. It is actually a very cool effect actually (like the voltage drain/charge can't keep up). It is similar to "No Quarter."

Maximum feedback on the Mistress = ~50% on the Axe-fx II.

Also, with flanged and direct outs. It looks like the mix is still 50/50 on the flanged out but the direct out is 180 degrees out of phase with flanged out and is (of course) dry.

I am publishing the examples as blocks rather than presets. The Normal mode will also need the Controller block as well as the Flanger block to work correctly. I can get a more precise delay min/max using the LFO in the Controller as compared to the Depth parameter.

The Matrix mode doesn't sweep so that is not needed. Turn the delay time and feedback in the flanger up or down to tune the comb filtering.

I could have dialed this in closer by using EQ before the flanger, but I wanted to keep it as simple as possible for maximum portability. This one isn't as close as I would like and I may revisit it.

Here is a comparison of the Normal Mode:

Here is a comparison of the Matrix Mode (note the resonances are almost impossible to match up for comaprison purposes even the smallest change in delay time alters the sound - Just tune the delay time where you want it):

Here are the blocks:
http://javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/JJMistressMediumFlanger.blk
http://javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/JJMistressMediumCTRL.blk
http://javajunkiemusic.com/Audio/JJMistressMatrixFlanger.blk

You won't be able to use the blocks until Axe-edit 3.02 is released

This and other effects emulations found here:
Fractal Audio Systems Forum - Recent Blogs Posts - Blogs
 
I'm resurrecting this thread because I took a look at the schematic of this pedal and at how mine works, and I think there are a few mistakes in javajunkie's block (but I may be wrong)
First, the electric mistress from what I see has an inverted phase feedback path, so negative feedback values should be used on the axe fx.
Second, the LFO waveform, from what I and other guys on diystompboxes forum have measured (on non-deluxe mistress at least), is hypertriangular, that means that on the lower half of the wave it appears as a sine wave while on the upper half it seems triangular. I think that we can get close by selecting log or exp (I don't remember atm) on the afx.
Third, the SAD1024 chip has two delay lines one of which has 1 more stage (513 instead of 512) and so it outputs a second signal slightly delayed by about 0.002 to 0.025 ms (depends on the clock frequency). I believe this can't be simulated exactly on the axe but a very similar result can be achieved by setting LFO phase parameter at 0.3 or 0.4 degrees.
I'd like to hear your opinion on this javajunkie (or anyone else who knows what we are talking about), I'll also post my block as I get home so that everyone can try it. Bye!
 
Cool -- it is my hope that eventually the community will be uploading g their favorite effects blocks, not just presets, so we can check them up and crown the best of the best!
 
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