Fractal VP4!

[Piing]

VP4 + x switches MIDI controller = VP(4+x)

 

[DLC86]

If that's correct, I guess we're talking about 999 EUR (incl. VAT) in Europe. I was just thinking that I would probably buy it after all, but to be honest it's a bit more than I'd be willing to pay.

I just wrote it in the other thread but I'll repeat it here too: the prices on that Thai distributor contain some vat/tax/charge for sure cuz an fm3 for example costs the equivalent of 1350$. By doing a simple proportion between those prices and the US price of the FM3, I expect the VP4 to cost around 650$... Or maybe even 600$ considering that distributors usually tend to charge a bit more on newly released products.
In EU it will probably be in the 700-800€ range including VAT.

 

[Frodebro]

Or get a HXFX, get 9 fx, and pay $650

I have an HXFX, but overall I prefer Fractal’s effects and (gasp) UI.

 

[Chromatizm]

Real Amp and pedal board users do not reflect in totally equipped patches like we are as the "regular" Amp Sim users. A few patches with different effect blocks will surely do the job and when I can I'm interested for using this little guy in front of my 2 junior amps. A great asset.

Yep. I'm not buying that "I might suddenly decide to go with Phaser instead of Chorus" kind of examples.
In a real world you'd need to have both in your board before you can do that. It can be half the price of VP4, BTW. Which mean you CAN do two presets just next to each other if (IF) a song allows you to go Phaser intead of Chorus (I want to hear this song, really), than you will be able to satisfy that urge with VP4.

Or buy the FM3, fill the preset with two Choruses, two Phasers, five Delays and go crazy.

 

[Immanuel]

I just wrote it in the other thread but I'll repeat it here too: the prices on that Thai distributor contain some vat/tax/charge for sure cuz an fm3 for example costs the equivalent of 1350$. By doing a simple proportion between those prices and the US price of the FM3, I expect the VP4 to cost around 650$... Or maybe even 600$ considering that distributors usually tend to charge a bit more on newly released products.
In EU it will probably be in the 700-800€ range including VAT.

Comparing the Thai prices with the other products, The VP4 is probably headed at 899€, when going at similar price rations between the products. I will be very tempted at this price. Especially if it gets the mentions possible 2-4 static effects per preset. It will make for a neat little control center for a solo acoustic set-up:

Mic -> mic pre -> VP4 (L) Eq, comp, rev
Guitar -> VP4 (R) Eq, comp, rev
And then directly from the VP4 to powered speakers. An Exp. pedal will take care of fine adjusting the mix.

*****
Editted estimated price from 999 to 899

 

[Chromatizm]

I have an HXFX, but overall I prefer Fractal’s effects and (gasp) UI.

The Axe Editor alone worth half the price of HX Stomp for me. I have it opened more than all other apps on my PC combined, and I LOVE it.
I absolutely hate Line6's PC apps/plugins UIs - the looks, the workflow, everything is... sub-par, to say the least. Not hating the product or effects, though.

 

[Frodebro]

The Axe Editor alone worth half the price of HX Stomp for me. I have it opened more than all other apps on my PC combined, and I LOVE it.
I absolutely hate Line6's PC apps/plugins UIs - the looks, the workflow, everything is... sub-par, to say the least. Not hating the product or effects, though.

I don’t ‘hate’ the Line6 UI, but I really prefer the Fractal approach.

 

[FullReverse]

Yep. I'm not buying that "I might suddenly decide to go with Phaser instead of Chorus" kind of examples.
In a real world you'd need to have both in your board before you can do that. It can be half the price of VP4, BTW. Which mean you CAN do two presets just next to each other if (IF) a song allows you to go Phaser intead of Chorus (I want to hear this song, really), than you will be able to satisfy that urge with VP4.

Or buy the FM3, fill the preset with two Choruses, two Phasers, five Delays and go crazy.
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Or you frequently participate in jazz jams (like me) and you don’t know ahead of time what the situation will call for.
I’m on preset a, with a delay and verb and chorus, but really the song calls for some light tremolo at parts too, well unless I’ve got a permutation of that same patch queued up ahead of time, I’m SOL.

Admittedly I’m not the typical player here.. but THAT is why I would love to see “favorites” switching implemented like channel switching is.

 

[DLC86]

Comparing the Thai prices with the other products, The VP4 is probably headed at 999€

1000€ seems a bit too high honestly compared to the FM3 at 1400€... Anyway, we'll find out pretty soon

 

[sprint]

I don’t ‘hate’ the Line6 UI, but I really prefer the Fractal approach.

Same - not a fan of the sliders

 

[Chromatizm]

Or you frequently participate in jazz jams (like me) and you don’t know ahead of time what the situation will call for.

As a fellow jazz jammer, it's a no-brainer to me with FM3. I even have presets for two guitars with separate routes - gig ready.

With VP4 it would be the same for me. Yes, I'd need to prep some presets - I love doing presets, and I would never risk enabling some effect without understanding what I need to do, which means I'd need to tweak it before the gig. Which means I'd have 10 presets which would cover every possible use case, including light and strong tremolo settings in different channels.
Yep, it would take an evening or two to do this job, but that's my favorite part of the day.

 

[Domct203]

Or you frequently participate in jazz jams (like me) and you don’t know ahead of time what the situation will call for.
I’m on preset a, with a delay and verb and chorus, but really the song calls for some light tremolo at parts too, well unless I’ve got a permutation of that same patch queued up ahead of time, I’m SOL.

Regardless of platform you still need the preset ready to go…

I would think your situation is not the target market for the VP4.

 

[FullReverse]

Regardless of platform you still need the preset ready to go…

I would think your situation is not the target market for the VP4.

Perhaps… going to buy one anyway though! (Maybe two depending on I get on with the first one) automatically it will replace 3 giant boss pedals.

I want the precious…

 

[Dave Merrill]

Or you frequently participate in jazz jams (like me) and you don’t know ahead of time what the situation will call for.
I’m on preset a, with a delay and verb and chorus, but really the song calls for some light tremolo at parts too, well unless I’ve got a permutation of that same patch queued up ahead of time, I’m SOL.

Admittedly I’m not the typical player here.. but THAT is why I would love to see “favorites” switching implemented like channel switching is.

What do you mean by favorites switching? I'm interested in the middle ground it seems you're after, something between pre-built presets with their scenes, and completely ad hoc "I'll just turn some blocks on and set their channels".

What were you thinking that would look like?

 

[FullReverse]

What do you mean by favorites switching? I'm interested in the middle ground it seems you're after, something between pre-built presets with their scenes, and completely ad hoc "I'll just turn some blocks on and set their channels".

What were you thinking that would look like?

So, let me preface this with I am complete layman and don’t know the first thing about pedal construction/programming…

So, I have 4 switches, and on those switches I can set hold function to go into a scroll mode that I can set that will allow me to either scroll channels of a block, or I can set it to scroll through a list of favorite blocks. (A list of my commonly used (but not ALWAYS) used effects. So switch one I could set up with Favorite Envelope Filter as the preset value (the block that is loaded in when I load the preset).. but sometime in the song I will need an Octaver, I want to hold down switch A to enter “Favorites” scroll, and select my octaver without needing to preprogram an Octaver in my preset.

Again, no idea if that’s possible, or even useful enough for most people to make the effort of programming it worth it. Just something I would love to see a company try to tackle.

 

[yek]

So, let me preface this with I am complete layman and don’t know the first thing about pedal construction/programming…

So, I have 4 switches, and on those switches I can set hold function to go into a scroll mode that I can set that will allow me to either scroll channels of a block, or I can set it to scroll through a list of favorite blocks. (A list of my commonly used (but not ALWAYS) used effects. So switch one I could set up with Favorite Envelope Filter as the preset value (the block that is loaded in when I load the preset).. but sometime in the song I will need an Octaver, I want to hold down switch A to enter “Favorites” scroll, and select my octaver without needing to preprogram an Octaver in my preset.

Again, no idea if that’s possible, or even useful enough for most people to make the effort of programming it worth it. Just something I would love to see a company try to tackle.

Yes, that would be nice but the current processors do not support this. One important reason is to prevent CPU overloads. And to allow fast switching. With presets, the system can calculate and predict everything. That won't work when effect blocks can changed to something else ad hoc.

https://forum.fractalaudio.com/thre...locks-or-3-amp-or-whatever.70023/#post-859452

 

[Dave Merrill]

So, let me preface this with I am complete layman and don’t know the first thing about pedal construction/programming…

So, I have 4 switches, and on those switches I can set hold function to go into a scroll mode that I can set that will allow me to either scroll channels of a block, or I can set it to scroll through a list of favorite blocks. (A list of my commonly used (but not ALWAYS) used effects. So switch one I could set up with Favorite Envelope Filter as the preset value (the block that is loaded in when I load the preset).. but sometime in the song I will need an Octaver, I want to hold down switch A to enter “Favorites” scroll, and select my octaver without needing to preprogram an Octaver in my preset.

Again, no idea if that’s possible, or even useful enough for most people to make the effort of programming it worth it. Just something I would love to see a company try to tackle.

Interesting. It does seem like you'd still have to pre-program Favorite Envelope Filter, which maybe isn't a lot different than programming it as a scene. I'm also a bit skeptical about much scrolling live, but i guess I'd have to try it to see.

I wonder how far you could get down this path with a very flexible controller like the RJM ones.

 

[FullReverse]

Interesting. It does seem like you'd still have to pre-program Favorite Envelope Filter, which maybe isn't a lot different than programming it as a scene. I'm also a bit skeptical about much scrolling live, but i guess I'd have to try it to see.

I wonder how far you could get down this path with a very flexible controller like the RJM ones.

I was more thinking a device such as the VP4, you’re limited to 4 at once, but you can queue up any from your Favorites list at anytime. Seems it’s not possible according to yek above.. which is fine.. just wishful thinking in my part

 

[slimefuzz]

Very Pretty 4

 

[fuzzyoctaves]

if you don’t play music with any subtlety or dynamics and don’t care that the delay and reverb all have a cluttered muddy quality to them, then sure. Otherwise you will notice immediately what that turd does to your signal. You lose the bloom and sag and get a cheap flattened representation of your signal instead.

I have an HXFX as a companion device to my AxeFx3. What it offers me is two loops for external pedals, a passable FreqOut feedbacker, an awesome looper and dead on models of several OD/Dist/Fuzz pedals (some aren't in Fractal and some are, but it saves a lot of CPU to run elsewhere), - all with 6 programmable footswitches with scribble strips. It also has several effects that are not replicable (or easily replicable): ParticleVerb, PatternTrem, Heliosphere, GlitchDelay, etc. Considering that the VP4 and the HXFX have the same level of integration with my AxeFx (midi), the VP4 won't replace it for me.

I guess I could use it for running 2 reverbs in HQ, which I can never do on my main AxeFx patches due to CPU. It will probably be more cost effective and a simpler setup to just buy a turbo axe instead.