Fractal VP4!

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That may be the dumbest thing I've read on this forum. Why is there an FM9? Answer: B/c people wanted (most of) the power of an Axe FX III in a pedalboard format. Why is there an FM3? Because people didn't need all the horsepower of the other units, and they wanted something compact and portable. Why was there an FX8? Because people wanted Fractal's fx without the modeling. And so on. In short, if people don't state what they would like to see from a manufacturer, they'll never get it. Why are your panties all in a twist because I think this is a colossal disappointment?
People didn't want it. It was the worst selling product in the history of the company.
 
That may be the dumbest thing I've read on this forum. Why is there an FM9? Answer: B/c people wanted (most of) the power of an Axe FX III in a pedalboard format. Why is there an FM3? Because people didn't need all the horsepower of the other units, and they wanted something compact and portable. Why was there an FX8? Because people wanted Fractal's fx without the modeling. And so on. In short, if people don't state what they would like to see from a manufacturer, they'll never get it. Why are your panties all in a twist because I think this is a colossal disappointment?
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I don't need 10 on all at the same time. I need to have at least 6 fx available in any given preset to be able to turn on or off as needed.

On TGP, I gave this example. Let's say 4 fx blocks are all I'd need for most parts of a song, but then I have a section that ditches the other fx and needs a comp and a trem. Can't do that with the VP4 without having to switch to another preset.

Yeah, if someone has a basic blues, rock, or jazz gig, then you probably only need 4 fx most of the time. Even then, though, I bet people would discover that they wish they had another fx block for a rotary effect, or a synth, a trem, or any other oddball effect they need in the moment.

Buy two, and get 8 effects.

People that uses a Strymon Big Sky, or another sophisticated pedal, and needs another FX like a comp, trem, overdrive, rotary, wah, synth, pitch, gate... adds more pedals.
 
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People didn't want it. It was the worst selling product in the history of the company.
It’s strange being in some of the worst economic times and yet some having the most entitled attitudes ever.

I think the VP4 is exactly the right product at the right time. I’m just waiting to see the price because that is what I and most normal people ultimately are concerned with these days. IMHO anything more elaborate and costly would be risking an unreceptive market.

Oh and I will back a business that reinforces an American economy every and any time!
 
I agree that there are plenty of people who would love to see an updated FX8. It was a great product. Footswitches, layout, ease of setting up presets, simple 4cm (or stereo) routing, and more. With all the updates and additions to the effects, it would be the top of the current market for a full-fledged multi-effect unit, by a large margin.
I think at that point, we have to ask “why not just get an FM9 and not use the amp modeling?”
 
I know I keep repeating myself, but gear forums and their members live in a very small bubble and don’t represent the vast majority of customers.

Just because you see a handful of people on a forum, complaining about a product and what it doesn’t offer, doesn’t mean that the vast majority does.

The only proof in the pudding is the sales numbers, which we don’t have access to. Hence, assuming a company doesn’t listen to their customers based on previous offerings or what a product doesn’t do for you is simply foolish.
 
My humble 2¢. The VP4 is a multi-effects unit designed to supplement an existing rig. I currently own an FM9 and stereo QSC CP8s for home practice. The FM9 and one QSC is almost too much in terms of space requirements to bring to an open-mic or pro bono gig, and not loud enough for a paid venue.

I also own a small combo amp, a 30W Brunetti Singleman 1x12 combo, with modest 2 effect pedalboard. Logically, it it were possible to work with the VP4, I'd likely plug the 1st effect (Peterson Mini Tuner) into the VP4, and use the 2nd effect (Blue Note Overdrive) in the VP4's FX loop. The VP4's output would plug into my amp. My Brunetti is perfect for my open-mic needs and has plenty of single channel clean headroom with EOB as you push the volume. The beauty is where you dial down your guitar volume and allow the amp to do the work.

I might consider an EV-2 expression for wah and/or volume, or modifier control on the fly. My only concerns are selecting the corresponding pedalboard frame and power supply (aware that the VP4 connects via CTN 9V).

Realistically, I might need only 4 to 6 always on effects. That might include a Noise Gate/Suppressor, Compressor, Volume, Drive, Delay & Reverb. If the VP4 contains noise gate/suppression in the Comp, that might negate that requirement. The VP4 would supplement my existing rigs needs by providing a comp, delay, and reverb. It might be possible to place a separate volume or wah prior to my Mini tuner, and use my power supply to power that.

Note what the VP4 supplies: a comp, delay and reverb. The Enhancer is always nice, but untested with a 1-speaker 1x12 combo. There'd be a lack of stereo effects that my FM9 practice rig enjoys. What, then? Buy a separate 1x12 extension cab? Dollar signs and space requirements are saying no to this.

So, in retrospect, here are the PROS & CONS:

PROS:
  • The Fractal VP4 would be a useful tool to supplement a guitarist's rig, given that he already owns a pedalboard and amp.
  • If the guitarist can effectively only need 4 "always on" effects maximum, 4 available effects is adequate for his needs.
  • The concept that the VP4 would act as a supplement is crucial; the VP4 is not designed to replace a huge pedalboard, merely condense an important number of active effects into a tighter space while maintaining the board's functionality.
  • Quality: Based on Fractal's past performance record of updating/providing timely OS firmware at no extra cost, it's appreciated that FAS stands behind its product line with top-notch service and repair.
  • Value: Based on cost vs. other important factors, the value of the VP4 remains to be seen once the product becomes available on the open-market.
CONS:
  • Realize that the VP4 is a dialed-down version of a multi-effects board with 4 limited choices for effects blocks.
  • Ask yourself if you need more that 4 "always on" effects. If yes, this unit can help you pare down the number of individual physical effects you have on your pedalboard at any given time. If no, your existing effects board might be sufficient for your current needs.
  • Do you need more space on your larger pedalboard while allowing 4 effects from the VP4 to replace them? Perhaps this is why the VP4 was created; to allow the VP4 to combine its smaller footprint with an existing pedalboard so that your best pedals can still reside among the VP4 while not grandstanding the actual replaced effects. (That being said, how many times can you find an virtual effects board that contains a Analogman King of Tone, or Klon overdrive, or various high quality delay or reverb rack effects?)
  • Re-Sale Value: Invariably, there will be many who will try this product only to be disappointed that they thought the VP4 was more that it was described to be. Some may unwisely wait past the product returns window closes before choosing to keep or return the VP4. Obviously, while the availability of the product may produce opportunities for those who will have purchased a VP4 only to resell it, it might be wise to consider your options first before handing over your hard-earned cash.
Hopefully, the above will satisfy the nagging questions prior to purchasing when your S.O. asks, "So, do you have one yet?" Look deeply into her soulful eyes and tell her you're going to spend the evening researching the VP4. I guess, that's the plan if you want one, yes?
 
Not sure if it's been said yet here or elsewhere, but Cliff @FractalAudio , thank you so much for developing the VP4!

For me, this is the perfect way to circle back to the Fractal Audio Universe after taking a bit of a hiatus for a while, in favor of working with separate guitar pedals and NAM capturing for digital amp sounds. The reason I moved to individual pedals was because of how fast they are to work with on the fly. It seems as though the VP4 has been developed to offer similar pedal-style editing, with the option to go to expert mode.

Personally, I love many of the Fractal effects, especially the modulations, delays and reverbs and I'm excited to be able to have a very portable Fractal effects unit, that I can travel with for session work, that will allow me to cover most of the tasks I rely on from digital effects pedals from Strymon, Eventide, Meris, Neunaber, UA, BOSS, GFI System and more.

This product makes it much easier to build a pedalboard for professional recording dates or live performances, without having to do the pedal tap dance. There are other pedals that offer a similar type of solution like the HX Effects and tc Plethora, but not without sacrificing quality, when you're used to using effects like Eventide, Strymon, GFI System, Meris. For those of us who've relied on Strymon/Eventide/GFI System/Meris quality effects, the VP4 is a game changer in workflow and multi-effects pedal sound quality.

For example, if I chain four Strymon pedals together, the loss of sound quality is marked, just from going through all the I/O of those pedals. The VP4 gives you back a great deal of sound quality and signal integrity, that makes for a more robust system. Four guitar pedals running in stereo is also eight patch cables that could malfunction. It's happened to every one of us, where the signal of our pedalboard decides to cut out on us and we go scrambling to locate that one cable that isn't making proper contact. VP4 saves the day in this regard as well.


Thank you for making a new product that has me excited about @FractalAudio, Cliff!
 
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People didn't want it. It was the worst selling product in the history of the company.
Boom. /discussion.

But, I'm honestly shocked at that. It's really good.

Of course, the big thing has been the digital modeling, and there's no denying who's at the top of that.

Oh, and I'm still very much looking forward to checking out the VP4. It just might wind up hitting the exact right spot... and also keep me from screwing around with effects and detailed presets so much, and get back to playing.
 
I don’t see any reason this couldn’t work as a standalone Fx unit. I’m always amazed at how really crafty people can maximize the capabilities of tools like this especially when they’re digital with lots of thought put into the UI.
 
I guess I do remember that, actually. It's been a bit.
Yeah, sadly… when physical copies of media went away (niche vinyl market is niche) the weekly trek to the Sam Goody/Tower Records/FYE/whatever died with it. An entire retail sector got reduced to an aisle at Best Buy and now that’s all but gone as well.

Pretty soon everyone is going to receive everything direct-to-brain via Elon’s chip, which will have credit card information embedded.

Alternatively, you can get on the stationary bike and pedal to generate power for your arcology. I think that was a Black Mirror episode?
 
So, why is it called a "virtual pedalboard"? Because it's *almost" one, but not quite?
TBH, IDK. Perhaps because the VP4 replaces actual pedals with "virtual" digital emulations contained to work together in a multi-effects package. You gotta recall that the VP4 is a multi-effects unit...no amp nor cab simulations. I wouldn't get too hung up on the nomenclature, things are described to be what they are even though the hype may not be as much flash as it is presentation.

I'd compare Almost Famous Amos Cookies of this category. "Almost" Famous just isn't Famous, though the cookie brand definitely lived up to the hype.
 
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