Axe-Fx III Firmware 29.00 Public Beta

[moshwitz]

While not a frequent user of the Savage model, I tinker with it on and off and I confirm what Dave mentioned: In the past the presence knob in the axe acted different than the current one. It acted pretty much like it does on the FAS Brootalz now, the amp would get more middy and louder turning it down. This is also noted in the Wiki for both models.

I am not saying I don't believe Cliff when he says the model is accurate, but somewhere in the past something in the model in the axe must have changed, and Dave, I think your memory serves you right...

Anyway, thanks for checking and for all the work! Time and time again!

Yes,,, the Brootalz Amp still does it,, That is how I remember it acting on my amp too. and mine WAS an old one from the early 2000's. I knew I wasn't too Crazy.....lol It still did something odd when you turned it all the way down though I just cant remember what.....lol

I'm assuming it was modelled after an older savage in the past (and that older savage was involved in the happy accident that was the Brootalz) but was updated to a newer production Savage sometime later (but the Brootalz was left alone to not mess with it given it has nothing to "correct" as it's not a real amp).

I'm gonna guess this too. I even remember back in the ULTRA days sending in my Schematic for the Savage and was super excited when it finally got modeled in the Axe-II even back then as it had been such a permanent part of my rig up until then. When I got my Axe-III it got close enough that I sold my real Savage and didn't look back. But over the years though there have been so many great amps added that I've found super awesome.. some of the little quirks of the real amp are a bit fuzzy now since I've slept since then....lol

 

[moshwitz]

I compared the model to our reference amp this morning and the Presence control works identically to the amp.

Note that the Depth control on the amp is a switch. You would set the Depth on the model to either 0 or 10 to duplicate this behavior. Depth being controlled by a switch goes back to Peavey and their patent for a pot to control depth. If you use a pot for depth you had to pay them royalties so amp makers would use a switch to get around this. I believe the patent has expired so newer amps more often have a knob.

Also note that older versions of the Savage had a different feedback network that caused the volume to change pretty dramatically as a function of Presence. Newer versions (like our reference amp) have an added resistor that makes the Presence control behave more predictably.

Sup? Thanks for checking it out Cliff. I knew I remember it having that quirk to the presence in the old ver, and my real one,, the info on the resistor in the newer ones explains allot. I know it's unlikely to get it added back in,, but is there any way you might could add the Brootalz tonestack to the available list in the Tonestack Type dropdown menu in the preamp section? I know it's niche thing,, but it was useful that it worked that way for getting certain tones.

Anyway,,, Thanks for again for checking and all the work you put in .

MOSHON
DAVE

 

[eric12]

Just wanted to thank you Cliff - Coming from another platform I'm amazed by the communication and effort to be transparent and listen to the users.
Much appreciated!

 

[Jarick]

Think I found a bug:

Mesa Mark V Green channel gain knob does not work. I actually was on 28.08 and noticed this, then updated to 29.0 beta, rebooted, refreshed, and still not functioning. This is both on Axe Edit and on the Axe 3 itself.

Can anyone else confirm?

 

[unix-guy]

Think I found a bug:

Mesa Mark V Green channel gain knob does not work. I actually was on 28.08 and noticed this, then updated to 29.0 beta, rebooted, refreshed, and still not functioning. This is both on Axe Edit and on the Axe 3 itself.

Can anyone else confirm?

Seems that way to me...

 

[donnmon]

Think I found a bug:

Mesa Mark V Green channel gain knob does not work. I actually was on 28.08 and noticed this, then updated to 29.0 beta, rebooted, refreshed, and still not functioning. This is both on Axe Edit and on the Axe 3 itself.

Can anyone else confirm?

This is why I wait-a for it to come out of Beta. Thanks to all for finding the bugs.

 

[Rotti]

This is why I wait-a for it to come out of Beta. Thanks to all for finding the bugs.

I too like to benefit from the work of others.

 

[is9582]

Think I found a bug:

Mesa Mark V Green channel gain knob does not work. I actually was on 28.08 and noticed this, then updated to 29.0 beta, rebooted, refreshed, and still not functioning. This is both on Axe Edit and on the Axe 3 itself.

Can anyone else confirm?

I am also running 29.0b and so far I have only tested the gain knob via AxeEdit, and I have two results. If I am using the Ideal tab to access the Gain knob, the knob seems to work as intended. If on the other hand, I access via the Tone tab, the Gain knob seems to have no effect. The numbers by the knob, displaying the Gain setting, changes on both tabs, but there is no audible change when on the Tone tab.
Cheers,
Lee

Update: I also tested this issue on the hardware, AxeFXIII Mk1. I almost always keep my Tone Control Display set to Ideal, so that is how I tested the hardware the first time through. As expected, the Gain control provided audible change in the guitar signal. I changed my setting in Global Settings, to Authentic, and adjusting the Gain control on my hardware no longer seemed to make any audible difference. I tried the Gain knob set to zero and then again with it set to 10; both sounded the same, or at least there was NOT any noticeable difference.

 

[My name is mud]

Possible bug, there is no Laney



First time I heard that amp, sort of boosted Marshall right ? Not bad

Edit : not so Marshally , interesting

 

[FarleyUK]

Possible bug, there is no Laney



First time I heard that amp, sort of boosted Marshall right ? Not bad

Edit : not so Marshally , interesting

"It's difficult to make anything [on the amp settings] sound bad"

He's obviously never met me....

 

[francis]

Think I found a bug:

Mesa Mark V Green channel gain knob does not work. I actually was on 28.08 and noticed this, then updated to 29.0 beta, rebooted, refreshed, and still not functioning. This is both on Axe Edit and on the Axe 3 itself.

Can anyone else confirm?

Hi,
I tested it too. I recorded with the looper block while increasing the gain knob from 0 to 10 in increments of 1 in the TONE tab of AXE EDIT.

I think the Gain knob of the Tone tap doesn't work.

In addition, I confirmed that the Gain knob of the tone tap is not linked to the knob value of the ideal tap and is different when I turn it here and there. I took a video of that part.

Please also refer to the shape of the recording waveform. They all have the same shape regardless of the gain value.

 

[MrGuitarabuse]

@2112 Any Biiiiita test drive coming per chance?

 

[is9582]

In addition, I confirmed that the Gain knob of the tone tap is not linked to the knob value of the ideal tap and is different when I turn it here and there

I noticed the disconnect between the two tab’s Gain knobs, I adjusted the Gain knob on the ideal tab, and when I clicked onto the Tone tab, the two Gain knobs had different values.

 

[2112]

@MrGuitarabuse if I get some time in the next day or so I'll get something done. I head out to the UK for 5 weeks on Sunday so have been getting prepared for that the last few weeks.

 

[kplooksafterme]

@MrGuitarabuse if I get some time in the next day or so I'll get something done. I head out to the UK for 5 weeks on Sunday so have been getting prepared for that the last few weeks.

If you come anywhere near Sheffield, give us a shout!

 

[Orvillain]

@MrGuitarabuse if I get some time in the next day or so I'll get something done. I head out to the UK for 5 weeks on Sunday so have been getting prepared for that the last few weeks.

Oh dude, if you're coming to London and have some time, let's grab a coffee or a beer.

 

[Jarick]

I am also running 29.0b and so far I have only tested the gain knob via AxeEdit, and I have two results. If I am using the Ideal tab to access the Gain knob, the knob seems to work as intended. If on the other hand, I access via the Tone tab, the Gain knob seems to have no effect. The numbers by the knob, displaying the Gain setting, changes on both tabs, but there is no audible change when on the Tone tab.
Cheers,
Lee

Update: I also tested this issue on the hardware, AxeFXIII Mk1. I almost always keep my Tone Control Display set to Ideal, so that is how I tested the hardware the first time through. As expected, the Gain control provided audible change in the guitar signal. I changed my setting in Global Settings, to Authentic, and adjusting the Gain control on my hardware no longer seemed to make any audible difference. I tried the Gain knob set to zero and then again with it set to 10; both sounded the same, or at least there was NOT any noticeable difference.

You are correct!

The gain knob works on the Ideal tab, but not on the "Tone" tab. The values are disconnected as well.

All of the other knobs work and are connected across tabs, so it's just the gain.

 

[FractalAudio]

Think I found a bug:

Mesa Mark V Green channel gain knob does not work. I actually was on 28.08 and noticed this, then updated to 29.0 beta, rebooted, refreshed, and still not functioning. This is both on Axe Edit and on the Axe 3 itself.

Can anyone else confirm?

This has been fixed for the next release.

 

[FractalAudio]

Sup? Thanks for checking it out Cliff. I knew I remember it having that quirk to the presence in the old ver, and my real one,, the info on the resistor in the newer ones explains allot. I know it's unlikely to get it added back in,, but is there any way you might could add the Brootalz tonestack to the available list in the Tonestack Type dropdown menu in the preamp section? I know it's niche thing,, but it was useful that it worked that way for getting certain tones.

Anyway,,, Thanks for again for checking and all the work you put in .

MOSHON
DAVE

Presence is not part of the tonestack, it's part of the feedback network in the power amp.

The feedback network can be changed but that parameter is not exposed to the user at this time.

 

[BrandonDT]

This video is a good example of what a peavy 5150 sounds like . At 0:40

Muddy, with trebles etc . And in comparaison the other amp sound muffled, like there is a pillow in the cab. in the axe we have that same pillow effect . Everytime I play with peavey’s in the unit I say « meh »
I’ve never been fan of these amps, but I’ve been a peavy reseller for years and know well the series… 6505 etc . These amps have a crappy clean,they buzz because the soldering is cheap, a million amount of gain , and are done to do big chords in drop d, but forget the « tightness »

But yeah here the tone represent well what it sound like in front of the cab for real

Peavey’s are cheap amps at first, don’t expect something spectacular. They were the metal amps for the one’s who cannot afford a boogie , they were like 800/1200 (used/new) when the boogies were twice the price

I used to own a 5150 block head (20+ years ago now) and I also owned the 5150 2x12 combo at one time. I hated them lol. They always sounded bad to me and the description above resonates well with me. But I was always a huge fan of EVH and modern high gain tones and so at one time I felt I had to have one. Never got a satisfying tone from it. Prefer Mesa Mark series and Soldano. The 5150 IIs I thought sounded better, but still not that good. The 5150 III's are considerably better sounding to me, but still prefer Soldano for that type of vibe.