Axe-Fx III Firmware 22.00 Public Beta (Beta 6)

[yyz67]

I have to ask... dominant or non-dominant hand? (I guess each has its pros and cons.)

 

[Randalljax]

Dude!

Lol I still say best comment of the day on a forum goes to Orvillan over a the gear forum
The reply to Jay. Oh I am sorry I was busy cleaning my flesh light

 

[stephenclark1]

Dyna is simple, enough choices to make a difference but not so much you spend all day being an engineer. Not that if I was a young man I’d turn down the job but spending all day moving mics a half inch would make me start smoking again!
One of the other threads asked if we had cabs we’d like to see…I’ll be patient and wait for all factory 1, factory 2, legacy…and maybe even your user cabs.

 

[State of Epicicity]

I don't know if it's possible with the way Dyna Cabs were programmed, but I wonder about the option to turn off the automatic alignment, to get the natural phasing that occurs? That phasing is a great way to make sure your pick attack is not too strong of course. What we have right now is awesome, with the ability to make your own phasing with the Align page, but it could be faster in some instances just to work with the natural phasing and see where that takes you. I believe someone else requested this, so I'll second that request.

I am totally dying over how powerful this is. I was just using Axe-Edit to move my second mic freely, while using the front panel of the Axe-FX III to change the alignment at the same time. Holy crap, this is powerful as hell. It absolutely is the ideal. I'm using the looper right after the input, so I'm the dude playing, the dude in the control room, and the assistant engineer setting up the mic position at the same time. It's a f**king truism at this point, but what a time to be a guitar player.

 

[iaresee]

I don't know if it's possible with the way Dyna Cabs were programmed, but I wonder about the option to turn off the automatic alignment, to get the natural phasing that occurs? That phasing is a great way to make sure your pick attack is not to strong of course. What we have right now is awesome, with the ability to make your own phasing with the Align page, but it could be faster in some instances just to work with the natural phasing and see where that takes you. I believe someone else requested this, so I'll second that request.

I am totally dying over how powerful this is. I was just using Axe-Edit to move my second mic freely, while using the front panel of the Axe-FX III to change the alignment at the same time. Holy crap, this is powerful as hell. It absolutely is the ideal. I'm using the looper right after the input, so I'm the dude playing, the dude in the control room, and the assistant engineer setting up the mic position at the same time. It's a f**king truism at this point, but what a time to be a guitar player.

You can still do this in Dyna-Cab.

Just go to the Align tab.

It's no different from "natural phasing" (whatever that is) and more precise, repeatable.

 

[Joe Bfstplk]

I don't know if it's possible with the way Dyna Cabs were programmed, but I wonder about the option to turn off the automatic alignment, to get the natural phasing that occurs? That phasing is a great way to make sure your pick attack is not to strong of course. What we have right now is awesome, with the ability to make your own phasing with the Align page, but it could be faster in some instances just to work with the natural phasing and see where that takes you. I believe someone else requested this, so I'll second that request.

I am totally dying over how powerful this is. I was just using Axe-Edit to move my second mic freely, while using the front panel of the Axe-FX III to change the alignment at the same time. Holy crap, this is powerful as hell. It absolutely is the ideal. I'm using the looper right after the input, so I'm the dude playing, the dude in the control room, and the assistant engineer setting up the mic position at the same time. It's a f**king truism at this point, but what a time to be a guitar player.

Use the Align tab to (re)introduce any phase issues you may be craving....

 

[Thenewexhibit]

I don't know if it's possible with the way Dyna Cabs were programmed, but I wonder about the option to turn off the automatic alignment, to get the natural phasing that occurs? That phasing is a great way to make sure your pick attack is not too strong of course. What we have right now is awesome, with the ability to make your own phasing with the Align page, but it could be faster in some instances just to work with the natural phasing and see where that takes you. I believe someone else requested this, so I'll second that request.

I am totally dying over how powerful this is. I was just using Axe-Edit to move my second mic freely, while using the front panel of the Axe-FX III to change the alignment at the same time. Holy crap, this is powerful as hell. It absolutely is the ideal. I'm using the looper right after the input, so I'm the dude playing, the dude in the control room, and the assistant engineer setting up the mic position at the same time. It's a f**king truism at this point, but what a time to be a guitar player.

I had thought about that too! It would neat if there was a “link” button which links the “distance” and “align” parameters as an option to get that “imperfect” phase response as an additional option. I experimented by having my first mic at say 4 on the distance, and the second mic at 4.25. I then went into the align tab and aligned the second mic at 0.25mm for the “real life” offset in timing, and it can yield cool results in smoothing of the high end.

On the contrary, I’ve also thought about how IR makers might have all kinds of distances with mics when they shoot for the best sound, but at the end of the day, when they consolidate the files, they will line up regardless because they were consolidated from the starts, so that technically wouldn’t creat real world results in terms of distance and timing either, so I suppose the current state would be more accurate to an IR pack and mixing different mics. I don’t know though and am only speculating; perhaps an IR maker could chime in and elaborate. Either way, I back the option of being able to activate a link parameter to the distance and align tabs! I also find moving the dot around and just tweaking regardless is so much fun!

 

[Steven Persson]

That’s a lot of work yes. Imagine just for adding another mic, they should bring all the cabs back in the studio

Or maybe more mics are already been done, but they’re sitting on it to have some for further releases to keep the “energy” for this feature up. Considering, as you mention, bringing out all the cabs again…

Of course nothing but hideous speculation from my side. But it’s fun

 

[State of Epicicity]

Use the Align tab to (re)introduce any phase issues you may be craving....

Thanks Joe. That's what I was doing last night, but in order to do this in a way that more closely mimiced real world mic phase interaction, closer to the way phase interaction would cancel and strengthen frequencies in the real world, I had to open Axe-Edit to the Cab Block mic position page, control mic position and level on the trackpad with my right hand, and at the same time, keep open the Align page on the front panel, using knobs A and B with my left hand to alter alignment of the two mics. I used the looper to allow me to listen and alter the tone in realtime.

I was able to achieve great results, but they did not recreate real world results, so I though it would be very cool to have the option to mimic something closer a real world phase interaction between each mic, what would occur just by moving one of the mics at a time without changing phase of a separate track in a DAW, and not to have to alter it as a separate parameter in the Axe-FX III either.

The ability to move mic position with both mics utterly in phase at all times is awesome, and a very cool innovation that I'm sure many players and engineers find ideal, but for the way I like to blend them phase interaction is key, so the automatic phase alignment actually causes an extra step for me in this regard; also, I'm genuinely curious what kinds of combinations of positions would be necessary to achieve the sounds of my favorite blends if I had access to the same real world equipment myself.

I don't think the automatic IR phase alignment should be removed either of course, because the combination of that with the alignment adjustment parameter makes it way more powerful of a tone shaping tool than the real world, but I'd just love to have access to the real world equivalent too.

 

[skydog]

Redundant, but I’ll write it anyway: dynacab sounds great. Great upgrade. Finally found a subtle aspect to a tone I’ve been trying to emulate with EQ for years without success.

 

[tysonlt]

Just did a wedding gig with the beeeta, because I think it deserves it. It was, how do you say… ACE

 

[Tommy Tempest]

At the end of the day it’s what sounds good, not what looks right. Use you ears.

Oh no no no. I always ignore my ears and use meters and LEDs for all my tone. Even if the tone sounds like total crap to me, I know it has to sound great because the meters told me so.

 

[oldstar1975]

Just tried the new Dyna cabs, my first impression - they are bright and clear, but I still can't get enough low end from them in compare with the commercial IR mixes I usually use. Does someone have this problem too?

 

[Kelleys Heroes]

Oh no no no. I always ignore my ears and use meters and LEDs for all my tone. Even if the tone sounds like total crap to me, I know it has to sound great because the meters told me so.

I'm telling ya, within a year every bot/AI response to a query about guitar tone is going to parrot the "use your ears" line

 

[oldstar1975]

Maybe dial in a little more low end on the amp?

I've spent not much time tweaking, but I didn't get the right low end from the amp this way

 

[unix-guy]

I've spent not much time tweaking, but I didn't get the right low end from the amp this way

Make sure you don't have Low Cut turned up in the Cab block.

Which mic model did you use?

Add bass in the Cab block Preamp EQ?

 

[Joe Bfstplk]

I'm telling ya, within a year every bot/AI response to a query about guitar tone is going to parrot the "use your ears" line

...but I can't turn the knob with either of my ears.

 

[oldstar1975]

Make sure you don't have Low Cut turned up in the Cab block.

Which mic model did you use?

Add bass in the Cab block Preamp EQ?

amp IIC+, all 3 kind of mices, didn't tweak the preamp in the cab. But may be I forgot about low cut in the amp block, I'll check, thanks!

 

[Kelleys Heroes]

...but I can't turn the knob with either of my ears.

I love having a starting point for tone and adjusting from there. Eyes first, ears second On my 60s Fenders I can dial in the sweet spot with my eyes closed. Fractal isn't exactly trying to replicate that particular experience.

 

[Mark Al]

I've spent not much time tweaking, but I didn't get the right low end from the amp this way

A LOT OF IRs generally have overblown low ends, compare to what one’d hear from a real cab in the room as they are shot at extremely close range, that’s one thing that make them much less realistic sometimes, and one’d often need some low cut.

if you ear is used to the exaggerated low end, you might perceive more natural sound as lack of lows,