Windows 10 support ends - Are you interested in Linux support by FAS?

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TheRedDevil

TheRedDevil

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The support end of Windows 10 is near and Apple is not better. I use Debian/Ubuntu Linux since many years and I don't want to support the cloud and data collection strategy of Microsoft and Apple. I also don't want to buy a new computer just because the OS manufacturer wants it. I decide by myself when to stop.

The one and only reason to use Windows 10 is the FAS software but in October I need to buy a new PC incl. Windows 11 or get offline with my Windows 10 PC :(

A virtual machine is no good solution (recording/reamping latency) and Linux Wine/Bottles is just partly supported (AxeEditIII yes, FM3Edit no (just with some USB-Midi-cables + external/digital audio interface), FM9-Edit yes).

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I support the concept for those who are interested, but my entire music environment is Windows - Studio One, lots of plugins, instruments and libraries. It's not plausible to me that most of those makers will suddenly have Linux support. I'm also a Linux newb, and it'd be a big lift to get as comfortable, efficient and "safe" there as i am on Windows, effort that's largely a waste of my limited music time.

Mac would be the obvious Windows alternative. It even has some advantages, but Apple is even more intrusive, insanely expensive, and has this striking hubris that ignores users to an even greater degree.
 
Windows 11 and macOS exist and have excellent support from hardware and software vendors, so no, not interested personally. I just opt out of the win11 telemetry, then all it sends is very basic stuff. Linux is not a realistic choice for pro-audio IMO due to lack of support from pretty much everyone.
 
Dave Merrill said:
Mac would be the obvious Windows alternative. It even has some advantages, but Apple is even more intrusive, insanely expensive, and has this striking hubris that ignores users to an even greater degree.
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Hard to be more intrusive or hubristic than MS with ads in the OS and an unprecedented level of privacy invasion. I have an older $200 macbook pro that works just fine with FAS SW.

I used to want Linux support before I made the full switch to Apple as I have a stack of laptops with different versions of Linux running on them, but $200 was pretty painless to have it all just work with a great trackpad and screen. Not to mention that I can also run Logic, which has a great cost:features ratio.
 
As much as I love the idea of Linux, it's not practical for me at the moment. If both Toontrack and RME had official support that might tip the scales but I'm not into using wrappers for drivers or other annoying workarounds. I just want stuff to work. On top of that, Windows is FINALLY getting ASIO support built-in so that's certainly encouraging.
 
I considered building a PC running Linux for my Davince Resolve workstations to use the lastest graphics cards. I decided I just want to focus on editing, color grading etc, not being a computer tech.

Once I loaded Resolve on a Mac Studio Ultra I didn't give it another thought. Plus, as mentioned, I can use Logic on it.

The M4 Mac Mini is amazing for the price.
 
TheRedDevil said:
The support end of Windows 10 is near. I use Debian/Ubuntu Linux since many years and I don't want to support the cloud and data collection strategy of Microsoft (and Apple). The one and only reason to use Windows 10 is the FAS software but in October I need to buy a new PC incl. Windows 11 or get offline with my Windows 10 PC :(
A VM is no good solution (recording/reamping latency) and Linux Wine is not really supported.

Are you interested in Linux support by Fractal Audio Systems? Please support the poll.
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Apple would probably be a much better alternative to Windows. The conventional wisdom about Apple being expensive is no longer true when $599 buys you a computer that can match the single core performance of the most expensive Intel/AMD personal computer (and $1399 rivals the mulitcore performance). Linux will never have more than a tiny percentage of the musical apps that are available for MacOS.
 
Dave Merrill said:
Mac would be the obvious Windows alternative. It even has some advantages, but Apple is even more intrusive, insanely expensive, and has this striking hubris that ignores users to an even greater degre
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Ever since Steve Jobs made my Gil Amelio Imax Quadra clone a doorstop 6 months after I bought it by upgrading the OS to be incompatible with my clone and they capped my warranty replacement of my iPhone 3GS after the third replacement due to charging port excessive wear, I said I would rather wear napalm ignited underwear than purchase another Apple product.

They churn for the new purchase with accelerated obsolescence.
 
dr bonkers said:
They churn for the new purchase with accelerated obsolescence.
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Another data point here.

I still have 4 2009-2012 (cheesegrater) Mac Pros in my studio that stayed relevant far longer than I could have ever imagined. I upgraded CPU processors, graphics cards, replaced HDs with SSDs on extra trays that could be loaded per project.

But I feel your pain too. It was only when Apple dropped NVidia support that I got angry as my crazy expensive video cards were obsoleted. I installed AMD cards and I was back in business.

But the writing was on the wall, and the Trash Can Pro wrote the message. We would have to leave Apple because Apple left us.

Fast forward to today. Mac Studio is super energy efficient, quiet and, except for the toughest tasks like UnReal Engine, works better than we need. The old Mac Pros still work, but are better space heaters now than computers. iGadgets are another story.

Sorry for the thread hijack.

I really don't see the value for FAS to invest time/money into Linux support.
 
GlennO said:
Apple would probably be a much better alternative to Windows. The conventional wisdom about Apple being expensive is no longer true when $599 buys you a computer that can match the single core performance of the most expensive Intel/AMD personal computer (and $1399 rivals the mulitcore performance). Linux will never have more than a tiny percentage of the musical apps that are available for MacOS.
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This might as well be true if you consider only music production/work.

However many people like myself are casual players that share the computer for other purposes - in fact the computer is used primarily for other purposes - where Linux is the best fit.

My point is that people have different needs, no shoe fits all. We don't need to answer a "let's support Linux" with a "Use Apple instead", as much we usually do not answer a "let's model this amp XYZ" with "Use a JCM800 instead". Supporting Linux wouldn't hurt anything, and would be a great plus.

Otherwise it becomes a tyranny of the majority :)
 
framos said:
This might as well be true if you consider only music production/work.

However many people like myself are casual players that share the computer for other purposes - in fact the computer is used primarily for other purposes - where Linux is the best fit.

My point is that people have different needs, no shoe fits all. We don't need to answer a "let's support Linux" with a "Use Apple instead", as much we usually do not answer a "let's model this amp XYZ" with "Use a JCM800 instead". Supporting Linux wouldn't hurt anything, and would be a great plus.

Otherwise it becomes a tyranny of the majority :)
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Just to be clear, I'm not answering "let's support Linux" with "use apple instead". The OP is asking for an alternative to Windows for use with his Fractal products. I'm all for adding Linux support, but Apple is currently the better answer to his dilemma.
 
framos said:
However many people like myself are casual players that share the computer for other purposes - in fact the computer is used primarily for other purposes - where Linux is the best fit.
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But what percentage of those casual users are going to want to deal with Linux?
framos said:
Supporting Linux wouldn't hurt anything, and would be a great plus.
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I think Linux support doesn't work great from a business perspective and that's why you don't see widespread, or even significant adoption of that platform.
 
Dave Merrill said:
I support the concept for those who are interested, but my entire music environment is Windows - Studio One, lots of plugins, instruments and libraries. It's not plausible to me that most of those makers will suddenly have Linux support. I'm also a Linux newb, and it'd be a big lift to get as comfortable, efficient and "safe" there as i am on Windows, effort that's largely a waste of my limited music time.

Mac would be the obvious Windows alternative. It even has some advantages, but Apple is even more intrusive, insanely expensive, and has this striking hubris that ignores users to an even greater degree.
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I have been a Studio One user for years....all my Slate/Izotope/Waves plugins set up on my Windows machines with iLok, etc.
When it was time for a new laptop, I asked people on this forum and they all recommended Mac....so I bought my first MacBook Pro.
It's a little different, but it's WAAAAY more stable that any Windows DAW I've ever used. I was shocked at how much better it is. Happy I took the advice.
Very little learning curve with the Mac. Everything is similar enough.
 
NY Guitarist said:
But what percentage of those casual users are going to want to deal with Linux?

I think Linux support doesn't work great from a business perspective and that's why you don't see widespread, or even significant adoption of that platform.
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I see where you're going, but that might as well be the case for a two-digit percentage of the Axe-Fx features (eg amp models), wouldn't it? And still we want them coming wholeheartedly :) Just give the little penguin a chance :p
 
I feel like I’ve heard these same discussions when Windows 95, 98, XP etc all were EOL.

I’m sure some were dragged kicking and screaming to Windows 10, but time stops for no one as they say

I’m sure we will see same discussion again when Windows 11 is EOL too lol
 
Been using CachyOS linux (Arch distro) for 8 months now, and I haven't had to go back into windows for anything. Fractal Bot and Axe-Edit both run just fine with Bottles (Wine), and when I turn on the Axe, the system, sees it just fine as well. Having native linux support in the form of an appimage or something of that nature would be cool, but at least with my setup I'm not having any problems running the windows versions. Linux is gaining ground steadily in the OS market, and now that Microsoft has been pushing spyware into windows 11, I have a feeling more and more people will start exploring linux as a better option.
 
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