What's your gig strategy with the FM3? Here's mine (so far)

chrisni said:
Nobody using automated scene changes via MIDI? I am curious about different approaches to that topic. Thats the road I want to go down when I receive my FM3 (hopefully next week).
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this is my current setup. FM3 + Voes MX-5 and SW-1 + Mission Engineering SP-1 (wah) + Roland EV-5 (volume).

On the FM3 I use presets with 4 different AMP+CAB combinations going from clean to mean.
FM3 buttons:
Button 1 normal press: Pitch (mostly configured as detune-chorus to save CPU)
Button 2 long press: Phaser
Button 2 normal press: Drive
Button 2 long press: Drive channel
Button 3 normal press: Delay
Button 3 long press: Delay channel

MX-5 controls on Page A (scene page)
btn 1-4 normal press: scene 1-4 (which are 4 different AMP+CAB scenes)
btn 1-4 long press: scene 5-8 (variations on scene 1-4)
btn 5 normal press: tempo
btn 5 long press: tuner

SW-1 switches from Page A (scene page) to Page B (preset page).
In Page B btn 1-5 are my 5 master presets (remember all presets have 4 different AMP+CAB scenes).
Once a preset is selected, the MX goes back to Page A (scene page).

Notice that the MX-5 has exactly the same space between buttons as the AX8 FX8 FM3.

MX-5 & FM3.jpg

If I need more I take the MX-12 3x4. More info about this setup on https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/lets-see-those-fm3-rigs.158779/page-40#post-1996737

MX-12 3x4 & FM3 - Prins P@rik.jpg
 
Jeffhamula said:
@TheloniusJ I basically do the same thing FM3 FC6 OMG9. My main preset is an ODS 100 and I have 6 scenes - clean, dirty, dirty with delay, mean, mean with delay, mean with delay and univibe. I also have a few other blocks in there (2 overdrives) and so I can tap the effects and have it sorta like I used to with a tube rig and pedals (stacking overdrives, delays, chorus/vibe)... I use this for 85% of a show. I have the preset on 000, then the next 5 (6 total buttons on the FC6) so I don't have to page. The other sounds are like marshall/friedman nasty or super custom stuff like synth. I have another JM45 based preset that goes clean to dirty, then nasty with the Atomica just in case I am not bonding with my ODS 100 as well as a vibrolux one that is almost like the ODS 100 but has a different and more fender thin frequency profile if the ODS is too muddy.
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Very cool - I'm "stealing" your "mean" label :)
 
vika12 said:
What's your FM3 set up for live shows? I've enjoyed 3 outdoor gigs now with the FM3, so I thought I'd share my strategy and hopefully get others to share theirs.

The most recent with a full stage and sound system. To prepare for this gig, I created one preset that I could use throughout the 3 hour show. The preset (which I've labeled "Q Matchless") uses the FAS "Boutique 1" amp, which models the Matchless Chieftain. This model gave me the foundation I needed to create the right blend of clean, edge of breakup and moderate gain tones for the gig. I kept it simple, which for me is key so I can stay focused on playing: Scene 1 is a cleanish RHYTHM. Scene 2 is a BOOST with additional volume and gain. Scene 3 is WAH LEAD, which provides even more volume, more gain and engages the EV2 for wah-wah. This set up was perfect for what I needed because I was able quickly to toggle between these 3 scenes during songs when and as needed. It also assured that delay and reverb tails would spill over and that there would be no latency or "drop outs" that could occur if I were switching between presets. In addition, the 3 foot switches were all I needed because I relied on the < > tuner in the upper left hand corner of the screen, rather than having to navigate to the master Tuner. The sound tech loved the set up because he simply needed to monitor my overall balance and volume as needed. He also complimented the tones. I consistently cut through the mix -- even with another guitar, keys and a sax. I've since created additional presets following the same formula using different amps and cabs. If I need a scene that I use less often (for example, a CHORUS scene), I'll use Scene 4 for that one. I've posted my "Q Matchless" preset and several others on Ax-Echange if anyone wishes to give them a try -- just tweak to your taste / needs. Overall, I've been extremely pleased with this device.
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How would you do it if you want to "add" or "subtract" short or long delay on each scene (whichever scene you're on) PLUS a tap tempo?
 
vika12 said:
What's your FM3 set up for live shows? I've enjoyed 3 outdoor gigs now with the FM3, so I thought I'd share my strategy and hopefully get others to share theirs.

The most recent with a full stage and sound system. To prepare for this gig, I created one preset that I could use throughout the 3 hour show. The preset (which I've labeled "Q Matchless") uses the FAS "Boutique 1" amp, which models the Matchless Chieftain. This model gave me the foundation I needed to create the right blend of clean, edge of breakup and moderate gain tones for the gig. I kept it simple, which for me is key so I can stay focused on playing: Scene 1 is a cleanish RHYTHM. Scene 2 is a BOOST with additional volume and gain. Scene 3 is WAH LEAD, which provides even more volume, more gain and engages the EV2 for wah-wah. This set up was perfect for what I needed because I was able quickly to toggle between these 3 scenes during songs when and as needed. It also assured that delay and reverb tails would spill over and that there would be no latency or "drop outs" that could occur if I were switching between presets. In addition, the 3 foot switches were all I needed because I relied on the < > tuner in the upper left hand corner of the screen, rather than having to navigate to the master Tuner. The sound tech loved the set up because he simply needed to monitor my overall balance and volume as needed. He also complimented the tones. I consistently cut through the mix -- even with another guitar, keys and a sax. I've since created additional presets following the same formula using different amps and cabs. If I need a scene that I use less often (for example, a CHORUS scene), I'll use Scene 4 for that one. I've posted my "Q Matchless" preset and several others on Ax-Echange if anyone wishes to give them a try -- just tweak to your taste / needs. Overall, I've been extremely pleased with this device.
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Can you do:
1. Rhythm
2. Higher gain Rhythm
3. Lead

4. Clean
5. Higher gain Clean
6. Even higher gain Clean
 
an_haus said:
I have an all in one preset. I am not working with scenes, but I use the per preset layout, which works great for me. I have an Boss FS-7 connected for two extra switches and use the fm3 more like a traditional pedalboard

FS 1: Tap -> Drive
FS 2: Tap -> Delay 1 (1/4)
FS 3: Tap -> BPM Tap / Hold -> Tuner
FS 4: Tap -> Delay 2 (1/8 dot) / Hold -> Control Switch 1 (turns Reverb Decay and Mix up for ambient sound)
FS 5: Tap -> Tremolo / Hold -> Clean Amp Boost (only for certain parts of a song)

If a have a song that needs a special effect like chorus, pitch etc I have presets where I switched out the tremolo for one of these fx.
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So basically you just change the Preset for a different song? I suppose that setup is only for 1-2 songs strictly (you know what I mean).
 
bdrepko said:
I use a single preset for most gigs. I use 4 scenes and have them set up as follows

FS1 (tap): Clean
FS1 (toggle): Lead
FS2 (tap): Dirt
FS2 (toggle): Lead
FS3 (tap): Heavy
FS3 (toggle): Lead

This way I can always have direct access to all 4 scene with only a single tap of a footswitch. I also use a Roland FS7 to for selecting the tuner and other functionality.
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So if you want to change AMP - do you just do the same setup with a different Preset? I suppose different Preset = different Amp/Cab for you? I guess that setup is only for one kind of Tone/Amp. Am I correct?
 
Mr.Modeler said:
Are you playing your own stuff or covers? We play covers so I have a preset for each song we do. I suppose I could put similar sounding songs in the same preset but it's easier for me to arrange the presets in the order we do the songs. I then have scenes within each preset to move from say an acoustic part to a heavy rhythm part. Comfortably Numb is the song that uses the most scenes. I have an MC8 to manage blocks like Delay, Flanger, Tremolo, Boost, etc.
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I like your method. So you basically create 1 Preset for 1 Song - then Scenes for different part of the song. Do you create new Presets each time you are presented with a new song then? Our challenge is that our songs are different each week so we need to create one for each song with your method.
 
kelloggsy said:
How would you do it if you want to "add" or "subtract" short or long delay on each scene (whichever scene you're on) PLUS a tap tempo?
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Open the Delay Block on your saved preset. Select a different delay or change the parameters of the delay that's there already. Save the new preset when you are happy with it.
 
vika12 said:
Open the Delay Block on your saved preset. Select a different delay or change the parameters of the delay that's there already. Save the new preset when you are happy with it.
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is there a most practical way to incorporate it into each scene? How do you do yours?
 
kelloggsy said:
is there a most practical way to incorporate it into each scene? How do you do yours?
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Yes. Once you get the Delay set the way you want it, when you save that block it should be saved for all scenes under the channel to which you have assigned it. If you want a different Delay type or settings in other scenes then switch to a different channel for that block and enter what you want and save that one to that channel. You also can save a block set the way you want it to the Block Library and recall that block in any other Preset.
 
vika12 said:
Yes. Once you get the Delay set the way you want it, when you save that block it should be saved for all scenes under the channel to which you have assigned it. If you want a different Delay type or settings in other scenes then switch to a different channel for that block and enter what you want and save that one to that channel. You also can save a block set the way you want it to the Block Library and recall that block in any other Preset.
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Fantastic :) I will try that when I get my unit.
 
kelloggsy said:
So if you want to change AMP - do you just do the same setup with a different Preset? I suppose different Preset = different Amp/Cab for you? I guess that setup is only for one kind of Tone/Amp. Am I correct?
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Exactly. Although you can use a different amp for clean, dirt, and heavy. I use a Band Commander for clean, Dirty Shirly for dirt, and 5153 for heavy. I do use the same cab for all scenes. This is what I use for the whole show.
 
I have 8 kitchen sink presets that for me do about everything between blues and rock from the 70's to 2020.
I use 8 scenes. 1-4 for clean/rythm/lead/lead+ and scene 5-8 for specific song related effects.

All this on pages A (8 presets with long and short push) and B (scenes 1-4 on short push and 5-8 on long push) of a Voes MX5 controller.

The 3 butttons of the FM3 are controlling 4 layouts/pages
  • fx on/off depending per song
  • looper
  • tempo/tuner
  • song/up song down

One EXP for wah or fx, one EXP for volume.

Covers almost any situation, the only thing I'm missing is morphing between amps, but that will never be possible with a FM3.
 
lauke-lux said:
I have 8 kitchen sink presets that for me do about everything between blues and rock from the 70's to 2020.
I use 8 scenes. 1-4 for clean/rythm/lead/lead+ and scene 5-8 for specific song related effects.

All this on pages A (8 presets with long and short push) and B (scenes 1-4 on short push and 5-8 on long push) of a Voes MX5 controller.

The 3 butttons of the FM3 are controlling 4 layouts/pages
  • fx on/off depending per song
  • looper
  • tempo/tuner
  • song/up song down

One EXP for wah or fx, one EXP for volume.

Covers almost any situation, the only thing I'm missing is morphing between amps, but that will never be possible with a FM3.
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You can cross-fade between the fx loop and a parallel amp block.

I use a ToneX One or various tube preamps with the ToneX One as a tube power amp sim for this.

One preset per show, eight scenes (this all done before gap-less switching was added, and I'm simply too lazy to rework the show computers as this gets the job done).

FC1 tap controls the Ableton LIVE Looper Plugin's Play button, and hold the FM3's Tuner.
FC2 tap controls the Ableton LIVE Session Loop button, and hold selects the Virtual Capo.
FC3 tap switches Delay FX, and hold selects the Ableton LIVE Looper Plugin's Undo button plus a Freq Out FX.

The Mosky Dual Switch 1 tap increments Scenes, and hold decrements Scenes (the majority of cene/channel FX changes and cross-fades/fades are automated via MIDI from Ableton LIVE).
The Mosky Dual Switch 2 tap selects the Auto-Wah.
 
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Not yet on any automation and external software with this amateur cover band. We rock but integrating loopers, click and other external sound engines is not in our reach actually. I did with another band who created our own songs years ago. Using that kind of stuff being 4 amateur musicians (one retired professional) needs a lot of discipline, that us french older generation generally do not naturally have, and to my amateur experience it muffles some feel of spontaneity, even if from an artistic point of view I felt it was more gratifying.
 
lauke-lux said:
Not yet on any automation and external software with this amateur cover band. We rock but integrating loopers, click and other external sound engines is not in our reach actually. I did with another band who created our own songs years ago. Using that kind of stuff being 4 amateur musicians (one retired professional) needs a lot of discipline, that us french older generation generally do not naturally have, and to my amateur experience it muffles some feel of spontaneity, even if from an artistic point of view I felt it was more gratifying.
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Using a click requires discipline of course, but note that the click doesn't need to have a static tempo, and of course tempo and meter changes are possible within the tunes.

As for spontaneity sure, but in our case we have looped sections for jamming, out chourses, or audience participation sections etc, with LIVE's excellent quantized record in and out looper plugin being controlled by the FM3's FC's.
 
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