Taming the Monster - Building an Amp/Cab Preset in the Axe-FX II + Tweaking It

Scott Peterson said:
The way I approach my cabs is very uniform. I use one method; various formulas to make it work. I do not use the 'room' parameters in the cab block at this time. I use a reverb block and mix it in with an expression pedal to control the wet/dry and find that handles the 'too dry' thing perfectly for my taste. YMMV.

Stereo cab. Both speaker cab choices panned center. Mic set to 'none' for both speakers. Motor Drive at 2.25. Everything else is stock (and/or zero'd).

Fender (or Fender Like tones): OH 112 Boogafunk E12L/JM 112 EMI Open Back FF
Vox (or Vox like tones): OH 112 Boogafunk Blue/JM EMI 112 Open Back FF
Marshall: OH 412 SLM M75/JM 212 G12-65 FF
Higher Gain: OH SLM V30 (*or OH G65, V30, H75, Blue, or RectoV30)/JM 212 G12-65 FF

Note (repeated for emphasis): No mic. No room reverb from block. Speaker Motor Drive at 2.25. Both cabs panned center.

Some folks use the "Air" parameter to lesson the 'boxy' nature of just using NF IR's; I do not use it because I use a mix of NF/FF IR's. It isn't boxy to start with so there is no need to use it.
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Thanks, what reverb settings do you use, and why the expression pedal?
 
Space Firebird said:
Thanks, what reverb settings do you use, and why the expression pedal?
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Small Room, change the "Time" to 1 second. I run it in parallel (mix 100%, Level 0.00, Bypass set to Effect Input).

I use an expression pedal on the "ingain" control in order to mix in the wet/dry that I want at any given time. Real time control on the fly is the BOMB. :D
 
Hi some farfield comment

As the FX2 FF choice is limited I had a look to RedWirez.

In the elder ones(not yet AxeFX2) you can find 5feet FarField-->which can be converted with great results(and a bit of hassle 48,000..>44800-->axomatic) to work in the 2

Great results !!!

Marshall1960B-V30s-TC30-5ft-2m
Orange4x12-V30s-TC30-5ft-2m
TweedDeluxeBlue-TC30-5ft-2m
TweedDeluxeP12R-TC30-5ftBack-2m
VoxAC30Blues-TC30-5ftBack-2m

If interested-->RW

Roland
 
thunder100 said:
Hi some farfield comment

As the FX2 FF choice is limited I had a look to RedWirez.

In the elder ones(not yet AxeFX2) you can find 5feet FarField-->which can be converted with great results(and a bit of hassle 48,000..>44800-->axomatic) to work in the 2
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I was wondering about this, so you are saying that the RW FF's will not work in the II without conversion?
I've been thinking about getting the Big Box collection...
 
Space Firebird said:
I was wondering about this, so you are saying that the RW FF's will not work in the II without conversion?
I've been thinking about getting the Big Box collection...
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The entire RW collection now includes Axe-Fx and Axe-Fx II syx files. However, as thunder100 noted, only a few of the cabs include far field IRs.
 
Thanks for the info.
Now I'm thinking that I need to learn what Scott is teaching here before I make it even more complicated for myself.
I can't even understand my own sig line...
 
On the REDWIREZ FF

basically not all of them have FF

The ones which have are

Marshall-1960B-V30
Marshall-1960A-G12M
VoxAC30Blue
Orange
TweedDeluxeBlue
TweedDeluxeP12R
MesaRectifier

But not all of them in the AXE FX 2 format just in 48.000 WAV.then you have to go mentioned road above

Just I can say by my ears it pays off.Even at lower volumes the amp(in fact the speaker) opens up.As I can play(hold) a guitar and beeing not specialist in recording or so I would widely guess that the farther FF add some 3D to the sound.

even my very critical(on me) wife says so.I made a Scott patch following the vidoe-->first without FF,then with the one and only in AXE and then with the RW's and it got in that steps more room-3D

Then again thats not a a huge difference and dont matter in METAL/Brutalz at all ,but it matters significantly in bandmix on Cleans or Jazz(band mate said do you have a new speaker(Nope))

Just my opinion

Roland
 
Scott Peterson said:
Fender (or Fender Like tones): OH 112 Boogafunk E12L/JM 112 EMI Open Back FF
Vox (or Vox like tones): OH 112 Boogafunk Blue/JM EMI 112 Open Back FF
Marshall: OH 412 SLM M75/JM 212 G12-65 FF
Higher Gain: OH SLM V30 (*or OH G65, V30, H75, Blue, or RectoV30)/JM 212 G12-65 FF

Note (repeated for emphasis): No mic. No room reverb from block. Speaker Motor Drive at 2.25. Both cabs panned center.
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Creepy. My cabinet recipe matches this about 90%. Another surprise for me is the first speaker in the list (don't have the AxeFX in front of me); the 6" oval IIRC? Mix that in with some of the farfield cabinets and you may be surprised.
 
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I also noticed, for example the high gain patch, that it appears you have combined a 4x12 cab with a 2x12 cab, is this correct?
I'm having some luck improving my tones with this technique, thanks again for putting it up.
 
thunder100 said:
On the REDWIREZ FF

basically not all of them have FF

The ones which have are

Marshall-1960B-V30
Marshall-1960A-G12M
VoxAC30Blue
Orange
TweedDeluxeBlue
TweedDeluxeP12R
MesaRectifier

But not all of them in the AXE FX 2 format just in 48.000 WAV.then you have to go mentioned road above

Just I can say by my ears it pays off.Even at lower volumes the amp(in fact the speaker) opens up.As I can play(hold) a guitar and beeing not specialist in recording or so I would widely guess that the farther FF add some 3D to the sound.

even my very critical(on me) wife says so.I made a Scott patch following the vidoe-->first without FF,then with the one and only in AXE and then with the RW's and it got in that steps more room-3D

Then again thats not a a huge difference and dont matter in METAL/Brutalz at all ,but it matters significantly in bandmix on Cleans or Jazz(band mate said do you have a new speaker(Nope))

Just my opinion

Roland
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Thank you for your explanation, I think Im going to get the RW collection.

By the way I have the same guitar as in your avatar, well not the same guitar,
but one that looks just like it!
 
Space Firebird said:
Thank you for your explanation, I think Im going to get the RW collection.

By the way I have the same guitar as in your avatar, well not the same guitar,
but one that looks just like it!
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Its a CS Fender in Surfgreen pearl.Very good guitar,and I like the colour but despite CS not my best guitar(Thats are a G&L Legacy and an ASAT)

On the RW you can always contact them and get ultraquick answers (at least I got) and it doesnt cost the world

Roland
 
thunder100 said:
Its a CS Fender in Surfgreen pearl.Very good guitar,and I like the colour but despite CS not my best guitar(Thats are a G&L Legacy and an ASAT)
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Nice, I've got the Jeff Beck Signature Series, it is my only guitar right now (and no tube amp).
It works well with the Axe FX II, but I am still learning how to get the tones out of the box.
I'm noticing from the examples that I hear posted on the internet,
that people do have varying levels of discernment when it comes to judging tone.
 
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Space Firebird said:
Nice, I've got the Jeff Beck Signature Series, it is my only guitar right now (and no tube amp).
It works well with the Axe FX II, but I am still learning how to get the tones out of the box.
I'm noticing from the examples that I hear posted on the internet,
that people do have varying levels of discernment when it comes to judging tone.
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Tone is subjective personal for everybody.And it vary's.

As I play 30 year + I cannot do without a tube amp,although Axe FX has replaced many of them(could do all since AXE 2 also the BF cleans but its a sentimental thing)

Have fun

Roland
 
I've reading and trying to digest various information from this thread and others since getting my Axe FX II last week.

One question I do have pertains to Scott's comment about not using IR's with mics "baked into them". Maybe I don't understand how IR's are created, but aren't they all created via a microphone? So if one uses the OH SLM V30 with no mic setting in the Axe FX, there's still some kind of mic coloring in the IR from when it was captured, no?

Since all the Redwirez IR's available from their site have specific mic type and placement characteristic for each IR, I would think it would be bad to add a mic setting to one of those IR's inside the Axe FX.
 
Depends. The stock Fractal cabs and presumably the stock RW cabs were captured using a neutral mic.
So no coloring but still close-miced.
Adding a mic sim just adds the mic-specific color which may be desirable.
 
Oh and I'll just chime in some more thanks to Scott for the videos. The resulting amp using exactly what was shown in the first video sounds great and now I'm going to try and apply to some higher gain metal patches. I think the toughest thing for me has been pulling myself away from the thought process of having to match a Recto cab with a Recto amp, etc.
 
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