It's reveal time! I can't lock the voting but I'll post the final results here: (votes made after this will not be counted for obvious reasons)
CLIP A: 15 votes 37.5%
CLIP B: 15 votes 37.5%
THEY SOUND THE SAME: 10 votes 25%
Results on the second page.
Original post:
Here is a download link to 96khz 24bit high quality stems: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qe456aok5n4c99c/AAAi5EKu8zOfwPxW3tlUZOwaa?dl=0
One of these clips is:
Music Man JP6 + Mesa Mark V + Mesa 4x12 + SM57
... and another is:
Music Man JP6 + Mesa Mark V (slave out) + ML Sound Lab IR of the same mic up
The spark for this comparison started yesterday when Ermin Hamidovic (the guy who masters pretty much all djent music these days) criticized impulse responses. Here's a quote:
I have to start by saying that I have huge respect for Ermin. I learned much of my mixing reading his tutorials on forums years back. That being said, this is a topic I know quite a bit about and I disagree with him. I think there has not been a fair apples to apples A/B test to blame IR's.
Being the one who makes the IR's for the most popular artists that he usually works with, this really got me going I'll be honest. I do this comparison every time before I start shooting any official IR's. For all the audio nerds there, I always make a phase reverse test comparing a mic vs IR and once I get something ridiculously quiet I know I'm good to go. In layman's terms, this makes sure that the IR is doing exactly the same thing as the real miked up cabinet is doing. Real mic signal [minus] IR signal [=] silence. That's the logic essentially.
Truth be told, if we were to start finding things to develop in impulse responses I can already name a couple of things:
CLIP A: 15 votes 37.5%
CLIP B: 15 votes 37.5%
THEY SOUND THE SAME: 10 votes 25%
Results on the second page.
Original post:
Here is a download link to 96khz 24bit high quality stems: https://www.dropbox.com/sh/qe456aok5n4c99c/AAAi5EKu8zOfwPxW3tlUZOwaa?dl=0
One of these clips is:
Music Man JP6 + Mesa Mark V + Mesa 4x12 + SM57
... and another is:
Music Man JP6 + Mesa Mark V (slave out) + ML Sound Lab IR of the same mic up
The spark for this comparison started yesterday when Ermin Hamidovic (the guy who masters pretty much all djent music these days) criticized impulse responses. Here's a quote:
One thing that still bothers me about using impulse responses for speaker cabinet emulation is that when it's all said and done, the record is mixed, the guitars nestle within that mix in a strange way. That last 5% of tone which IRs don't capture, those dynamic, saturating elements are key to a guitar sound having the musical interplay I like to hear.
I have to start by saying that I have huge respect for Ermin. I learned much of my mixing reading his tutorials on forums years back. That being said, this is a topic I know quite a bit about and I disagree with him. I think there has not been a fair apples to apples A/B test to blame IR's.
Being the one who makes the IR's for the most popular artists that he usually works with, this really got me going I'll be honest. I do this comparison every time before I start shooting any official IR's. For all the audio nerds there, I always make a phase reverse test comparing a mic vs IR and once I get something ridiculously quiet I know I'm good to go. In layman's terms, this makes sure that the IR is doing exactly the same thing as the real miked up cabinet is doing. Real mic signal [minus] IR signal [=] silence. That's the logic essentially.
Truth be told, if we were to start finding things to develop in impulse responses I can already name a couple of things:
- raw non-mpt'd IR format as the industry standard
- full length high quality 170ms IR's, some claim 500ms but there's something wrong with the room if you get much content after 170ms
- IR producers stop post processing IR's (you know who you are )
- will 24khz 24bit stand the test of time? let alone kemper's 44.1khz?
- ... is something I'm working on ...
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