Natural feedback at any volume?

unix-guy said:
Maybe @iaresee can help with the name change. Seems like a legitimate reason.

Your approach of the octave and 5th has been used by others triggered with a button, too. It seems to do the trick.

I recall someone had a trickier version that would alternate between different pitches via the Pitch follower so that above a certain note the feedback would be in a different range.
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I believe that was @Admin M@ , and that technique works quite well since you want to reduce the interval in the upper register.
 

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For single notes, using a highly boosted narrow band pass filter with the filter or EQ block and mapping the center frequency to the pitch detector can work well. Map the block (un)bypass to a momentary footswitch and step on it when you need sustain.
 
DaveO said:
I believe @Piing had a nice solution that was a bit different, something along the lines of using small speaker attached to the guitar if I recall, think this is the thread, https://forum.fractalaudio.com/thre...e-suhr-or-anderson.179074/page-2#post-2184664
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A simple and efficient solution for natural feedback and prolonged sustain at low volumes is to place one of these small Bluetooth speakers with Aux input between the guitar and your body when seating

https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/gary-moore-long-sustain-with-fm3.175392/post-2127708
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A more sophisticated solution, and even more silent than the Bluetooth Speaker, is to use a speaker driver attached to the guitar. Either to the body, or to the headstock using a Fender FatFinger (at AliExpress they call them "Vibration Resonance", which will also bring results of other devices that the ladies may love:D)

https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/gary-moore-long-sustain-with-fm3.175392/post-2133769
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I am thinking about buying this set that comes with two "resonance vibration speakers", a stereo power amplifier, and the power supply

Last month I purchased the Digitech FreqOut, but I still have not bonded with it. I find it artificial. Maybe I have to dedicate more time to find proper settings.
 
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tbo, the only thing that helps getting a realistic feedback is getting a feedback
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i) (mid)cranked amp and feedback from pickup coils
ii) Fernandez Sustainer or Jackson Sustainiac, gives a perfect control over real feedback at low(no) volume.

all online presets and other tricks posted I tried,and it came oevery result but never an even close to realistic sounding feedback. (Not tolk about feeling).
So imho,if you like/love feedbackat bedroomlevel go and buy a sustainer-system, it´s worth every penny
 
Roland said:
There’s a simple way of encouraging feedback in low volume environments. I dates back to the 60s when amps were less powerful. Touch the head of your guitar to the top of the cabinet.
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Now all those people playing headless guitars will realize what they're missing!



Yes, I know that they can just touch their guitar to the cab with the tip of the neck / nub or whatever they call it.
 
As previously stated by My Name is Mud and Joe Bfstplk and further detailed here:

~85dB through a studio monitor using most stock high gain presets (I like Chugnuts Scene 3) and a dimed PRS HFS humbucker held up close to the monitor = reliable rock star feedback.
 
mwd said:
Best emulation I've ever heard is an Ed O'Brien strat thru an Axe III.
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I'm using this guitar with my AxeFX III on stage and for recordings. Works fine. Since we use only InEar-Monitoring on stage, it's nearly impossible to get a natural feedback. In case the PA is loud enough for giving feedback, it's often hard to control. This guitar solves this problem. It's even possible to let clean chords ring for ever.

The Ed O'Brian Strat is honestly not a perfect guitar. Tuners and tremolo are crap (or let's say authentic vintage). The neck is very chunky and you have to unsrew it from the body to adjust it's tension. But it is possible to install this pickup-system to other guitars if this vintage strat guitar is not your cup of tea.

If you are intersted, check out the Guitar-Solo at the end of this song. It was recorded with that guitar, AxeFX III (reamping). There are no speakers involved.

 
I played around a bit last night building a simulated feedback for one held note. Distorted channel then I switch to another scene same amp and cab and added a compressor and drive in front for longer sustain, then added a pitch block for the first semitone. Then off to the side of the chain I added two synth drone blocks each controlled by a separate expression pedals forked into a drive block after the cab. In this way I can get three feedback semitones. Not fun or super realistic but better than not having anything happening. This is for Rise Against The good left undone at 2:11 in the song.

Just went and listened to a live version and its shit, None of the feedback thats in the studio version. I often wonder why I even bother. OCD!
 
From what I've tried, it seems like the FreqOut might be the best option. That being said, I don't think it's that good of an option. It sounds fine to me, and if you set it right, it "catches" notes more or less fine. The way it releases the overtones sounds very unnatural to me.
 
Love the Sustainer on my EOB Strat for those dead silent feedback sessions. Highly recommend going this way if you need sustain at low/no volume.





Those were all done with the sustainer on the EOB strat I own.
 
Thinking more about this, there are a couple of other possibilities out there that might be viable, though I don't have any experience with them:

http://hdsustainer.com/ - a variation on the neck-pickup sustainer type. It looks like either it has been used by manufacturers, or at least by high-profile players.

https://www.keithmcmillen.com/labs/strongarm/ - still in development, but a unique approach by applying energy through saddles instead of at the neck. The prototype looks to have some sort of pickguard embedded control or something else in which the guitar angle changes the harmonics of the feedback.

http://www.vibesware.com/ - this one always seemed interesting to me as the whole feedback mechanism (similar tech as an ebow) doesn't require any installation as the vibrational field comes from a stand-mounted device or holding a device. Downside is having to stand in a very specific place with very little movement. I would almost want a wider field to just grab whatever string rather than focusing on one string.
 
jamongrande said:
http://www.vibesware.com/ - this one always seemed interesting to me as the whole feedback mechanism (similar tech as an ebow) doesn't require any installation as the vibrational field comes from a stand-mounted device or holding a device. Downside is having to stand in a very specific place with very little movement. I would almost want a wider field to just grab whatever string rather than focusing on one string.
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That one was mentioned above... For some reason I was thinking that was from Paul Vo, but it's not.

There is this, though:

https://voinventions.com/wond-ii-project/
 
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