Gibson suck

Ya those cracks do not look at all like moisture cracking. It looks like the guitar was dropped or stepped on to me as the cracks look too straight.

You should be able to just cut and fill the cracks, and buff it out so it's hardly noticeable unless you are looking for it. It's should be pretty easy too as they are straight.
 
Where in the UK are you, Clive?

North Devon mate - miles from pretty much everyone (except FAS user 'vaxed' who lives in the same village)

Not aversed to making the odd trip now and then though
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(bought my son's car from Wakefield actually)


Apologies to the OP for the slight parallel-hi-jacking by the way!
 
Gibson claims lacquer increases the sustain on a thick slab of wood? Have they empirically measured this? If so, where are the results?


This is pure bullshit.
Nitrocellulose lacquer is nothing more than a sealant that was invented in the 20's. The hip thing about it is that a "thin" nitro finish on a good quality piece of wood will yellow and crack over time. This yields guitars with a natural patina and checking that most players and collectors find attractive and desirable.

However, "thick" nitro over poly can yield cracks instead of "checking" especially if applied incorrectly (bubbles) and not allowed to dry properly. A lot of guitars in the 70s and 90's had thick polyester finishes, Those guitars IMO sound lifeless and have no sustain whatsoever, especially when compared to thin nitro finished guitars.

Honestly, unless you are getting a historic RI, or going for a vintage look, you are better off getting a thin acrylic lacquer finish. Look wise -- both will basically be indistinguishable except the acrylic won't yellow or crack over time.

I am a big Gibson fan and owned many historic and vintage pieces over the years. That being said, their QC over the years has been up and down like a roller coaster, not just with their lower cost mass produced non-custom models, but with their historic RI line as well.

I learned over the years you need to play and examine a lot of Gibsons before buying one. This is not always practical, but it is the best approach. Also there are a couple of Gibson dealers out there ( like Wildwood Guitars) that actually go to the factory, preselect the woods and supervise the production. Those guitars are about as perfect as you can get.
 
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This is pure bullshit.
Nitrocellulose lacquer is nothing more than a sealant that was invented in the 20's. The hip thing about it is that a "thin" nitro finish on a good quality piece of wood will yellow and crack over time. This yields guitars with a natural patina and checking that most players and collectors find attractive and desirable.


A lot of guitars in the 70s and 90's had thick polyester finishes, Those guitars IMO sound lifeless and have no sustain whatsoever, especially when compared to thin nitro finished guitars.

LVC, are you saying that nitro finish does or does not produce better sustain?
Just wasn't sure sure as I took your first comment as it does not, but your second comment as it does....?
 
LVC, are you saying that nitro finish does or does not produce better sustain?
Just wasn't sure sure as I took your first comment as it does not, but your second comment as it does....?

There is one little trick that every LP owner could do to their guitars to enhance Sustain, it is has nothing to do with the finish.
 
I own about 18 guitars now four of which are Gibson's' including a VOS Les Paul Custom and a new Memphis 335' and maybe it's the old case of "Friday afternoon syndrome" that some guitars leave the factory less than satisfactory (of which I agree there is no excuse when you are paying a premium) that said all four of mine are simply stunning in every way' they still even smell nice!!!! The action and Finnish were all top notch' maybe being a lefty and we know not as many are made I've been very lucky indeed with my guitars' but I've read horror stories and my sympathies go out to all that have been left high and dry by the brand.
 
LVC, are you saying that nitro finish does or does not produce better sustain?
Just wasn't sure sure as I took your first comment as it does not, but your second comment as it does....?

I had the same confusion. I'm not a fan of sealing a guitar in a thick coating of polyanything. Yet nitro falls apart over time. I agree that acrylic is a good compromise. My only questions were how Gibson came to make this sustain statement and how it is justified by measurable evidence.
 
LVC, are you saying that nitro finish does or does not produce better sustain?
Just wasn't sure sure as I took your first comment as it does not, but your second comment as it does....?

No nitro does not.

Thick coat of anything (nitro/poly or any combination) - kills the sustain and resonance of a guitar.

So when you compare to guitar that has a very thin coat of a sealant over a thin finish or varnish - the thin coat guitar (especially if it is on a decent piece of tone wood) will jump at you.

Most people will make the assumption that this because of the nitro -- which it is not.

Dumb myth perpetrated by the uninformed or those trying to sell you something.

If you want vintage - go for a thin nitro finish
If you want a finish that will last with no checking or yellowing -- go with a thin acrylic finish.

Both will sound the same.
 
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I have a Fender Select series Strat that has a nitro finish. Within 6 months of buying it, the finish on it started 'blistering' and peeling on the lower horn tip and inside the cutout. Kind of a bummer, but I don't buy my instruments as an investment, they are tools so I don't care if it hurts the value because it's still an effective tool. I'd take a picture to show you but the guitar is currently in storage awaiting me moving in to a new home.

Here it was when new...

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So issues with nitro finishes clearly aren't a Gibson exclusive.
 
Went out a few years ago shopping for a Gibson SG 61RI, the dealer also had a Epi Elitist SG 61RI (production had already been stopped at this time) that just totally blew away the Gibson in quality, playability and tonally. Bottom line, forget the name on the headstock, I got me the Epi and never looked back. This experience answered my question as to why Epi don’t produce then Elitist SG 61RI anymore, they made mother Gibson look pretty damned old. Gibson today has nothing to do anymore with those legendary guitars of the 50s-60s, quantity instead of quality has become the main objective.

PS. The Epi Elitist wasn’t much cheaper but very much better!
elitists don't count in the comparison between Gibson and epiphone. Elitists had Gibson USA pickups, are solid mahogany, long tenon, bone nut, ABR bridge, basically the only difference is it was made at the Fujijen factory(and not in the US) and it has a poly finish. They are outstanding guitars but not typical for epiphone. Casino models notwithstanding since they are the only elitist models that aren't discontinued.
 
No nitro does not.

Thick coat of anything (nitro/poly or any combination) - kills the sustain and resonance of a guitar.

So when you compare to guitar that has a very thin coat of a sealant over a thin finish or varnish - the thin coat guitar (especially if it is on a decent piece of tone wood) will jump at you.

Most people will make the assumption that this because of the nitro -- which it is not.

Dumb myth perpetrated by the uninformed or those trying to sell you something.

If you want vintage - go for a thin nitro finish
If you want a finish that will last with no checking or yellowing -- go with a thin acrylic finish.

Both will sound the same.

Ah ok, now I understand your points. Thanks.
 
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My silverburst has a tad more yellowing....and a small amount of cracking.
If you blow up the pic, you will see cracks on the left.
Still not as bad as the OP's pic....
 

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elitists don't count in the comparison between Gibson and epiphone. Elitists had Gibson USA pickups, are solid mahogany, long tenon, bone nut, ABR bridge, basically the only difference is it was made at the Fujijen factory(and not in the US) and it has a poly finish. They are outstanding guitars but not typical for epiphone. Casino models notwithstanding since they are the only elitist models that aren't discontinued.

Never the less, the point is, the copy is way better than the original...
 
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