G3 Dumble and Cliff's Impression

I don't get in to the whole tube vs digital BS. Use whatever is the most suitable for your project. Right tool for the job. People who are hard left or hard right on the subject and generally not very experienced players in the real world......or simply forum trouble makers / haters.

Ahhh, reasoned discourse. So rare. So refreshing. So appreciated.
 
i never claimed to be an expert on any amp Just stated that I happened to be standing over Erics original amp when it broke down the first time.

I spoke to Brandon after I bought the amp and he informed the that when he fixed Carlos amp for him the amp did not have any epoxy inside it
nor any signs of it being there to begin with and he fixed some caps and the phase inverter.

Then being the classy guy he is he started building them and selling them too the public.
I happened to buy mine used off ebay and it was advertised as an exact replica of Eric Johnsons amp.

Now By Brandons words he himself said the amp he worked on and repaired for Carlos never had any epoxy in it.
#5 SSS 150.

It was the 5th Steel string singer made and it was voiced for Eric in person by Dumble
the amp had dark purple epoxy in it throughout and thats the reason it could not be repaired
thus it was sold back and repaired and the boards and transformer were taken out of it.

Brandon can speak to Eric about this clear it up real fast.
If he is a classy guy and he built this amp who else should be trying to fix it
if it was supposedly broken on arrival during shipment ?

If The very person that built the amp cant put tubes in it to test it
thats odd isnt it ?

I suggested Brandon call Eric himself and resolve the facts here but he
for some reason does not want to hear the truth regarding the amp
he is touting as Eric Johnson model amp.

The thread was about Dumble amps I did not want anyone thinking that the
bludotone hpd 150 amp was an exact replica of Erics amp because its not.

I know its not just wanted to make that clear so no one was misled.
Since I owned the amp I recorded with it.

Some interest was shown and a comment was made about someone being too far left or right.
I happened to have owned 3 versions of these amps and commented.

I just wanted to make sure no one was misled by me into thinking for a second that
the HPD 150 SSS Clone was anything 1:1 of Eric Johnsons original Dumble steel string singer
and I did not want anyone dropping 6500 dollars and being misled like I was.

So that in case someone was thinking that they had no doubts about it.
The original #5 steel string singer broke down it caught fire
broke down and the boards and transformer were changed by Dumble
well before Carlos bought the amp.

Just so I was clear there I had read a comment about weather the axe affected sales of real tube amps
and so In case someone was misled I wanted to clarify how I know the original boards and transformer
were replaced was because I happened to be standing there the day it was on the bench.

Brandon can ask Eric Directly we plan too.
Im sure he is a classy guy and will fully believe the estate attorney handling the estate
he is the one who distributed the funds to buy the amp to begin with.
So they can discuss that.

I have been busy resetting 114 amps so I just read this.
did not mean to hijack a thread..

Just wanted to be clear the hpd and the #5 sss are not
the same amp they are in the same looking head enclosure
and they might have the same layout but they dont sound the same.

Thats by Eric's words directly too my face.
He passed on buying it back because it did not sound the same.

I am just giving what facts I do know about that particular amp
and it not in the axe fx because its not been done yet.

Maybe Cliff wants to buy the amp all it needs evidently from Brandons word is
tubes two tubes were broken in shipment Brandon said so I have no idea.

I dont want it because the amp is not what it was described as being.
The amp was sold as Eric Johnsons sss 150 replica and exactly like it.

I was misled but I sold it back too the person I bought it from
for 1000 less cause he is a classy guy too...

He turned around and sold it to someone else but claimed the amp was broken on arrival
and had Brandon claim that too ebay which took my account out.

Thats not very classy in my book.

But back too the thread at hand G3 and Cliffs impressions..

My impression of Cliffs ODS amp is it sounds very real to me
The Ford amp 102 sounds very accurate from the recordings ive heard.
The Trainwreck amp happens to sound very much like a Dumble 50
which I own right now. So close I just saved a patch and use it for both.

I have the el 34 version of the ODSR amp so its a bit like Cliffs
ODS but its not 6l6 it is an el34 version which has a different sound.

Using Cliffs ODS and putting 34s in vs 6l6 sounds like what I own.
That is another clone of an amp built to specs off 183 and supposedly
a hybrid of 183 and 102.

I was later told thats impossible and 183 is one amp and 102 is another
two different circuits entirely and one switch cant change the same amp into one or the other.
That said the amp is based mainly off 183 and el34 and it sounds more to that end of things
vs the 102 amp..

102 ojai amp seems to take off faster and leap into sustain mode in a hurry..
ive not played one but from the clips ive heard thats what it sounded like to me.

I like el 34s but I dont discount the 6l6 sound. The reverb which is on the ODSR
I own was taken from a currently worked Dumble and the owner told me that
on the phone..

I was trying to buy that ODSR if I could afford it but instead the one Quinn made
for me arrived and we dialed that amp in here in Texas
the other person who had the same amp built came here to help dial that amp in.
So it has known Dumble parts and old glass.

My thoughts there were it improved the amp 40% more with NOS Parts and Glass.
we had both sitting side by side one with previous reverb and mine with current upgraded verb
and the ODSR with 34s won that shootout..

The person that dialed mine in said mine sounded better reverb wise to him
he liked 6l6 and wanted his to sound more Ford like where as I wanted
something else and the 34s were in the original .
Since that time I learned my entire amp was based very closely too the ODSR
I was in line to buy.

That amp was very rare as it had recent Dumble additions too it and it was upgraded
I could not afford the original but I got a very very good Clone.

Now outside of sheer volume and air moving I can get the same sounds with the axe
if I sit there and dial them in side by side..

on playback I can hardly tell the difference.

Same with my 50 now if you are in the room with them sure you can tell one is tube amp and moving more air
but on playback its tough to tell apart..

Those are my findings on 3 different Dumble amps

sss 150 6550
Odsr 100 el34s
50 watt Dumble 6l6's

Im currently on 18 and find they got even more defined.
I think they sound very realistic even with both sitting in the room
and more so on playback.

It wont hurt Dumble amp sales because Dumble does not build for the public
he wont build a SSS amp you can buy one used for 250 grand or
take your chances with the clone builders who claim they know which voicing
Eric or Srv has but they dont know.

I cant see how it would hurt Dumbles sales he wont deal with the general public
I know I offered to send a showman too him with 6k inside it and was told
he could not help me there was not enough time and he only built for front line players.

That leaves the clone builders and they are not Dumble
as we read parts and tolerances are -+1 -- -+20 either way
and wont sound the same.

Even if you cloned one using the same parts and values
it wont sound the same..

now if you read one value wise and voltage wise
and bias wise and measured it then you can make something in the virtual realm
which is what g3 and 18 is correct ?

If you buy your own amp and do that evidently its perfectly legal to do.
I do that with my own tube amps so when the tubes go I can
rebias and reset new tubes and get them sounding back the way they were
if not better.

I think thats still legal in America.
last time I checked it was..

perhaps the Tone Police can help..


When I was working with Eric back in 07, we actually used the anvil case for that SSS to ship his OD2 around. He had just bought the SSS back (I assumed it was the same one he owned back in the 80s) and actually hated it. Not sure why he bought it back when he had sold it years ago after the PT failure and replacement and consequently not liking it.

You can't clone an amp by physically copying it anyway. A good designer won't clutter his head up with parts and values. They will use their ears and design their own way of replicating the tones as close as possible.
That said, people want physical clones and Brandon is a good guy and is probably the only person I would refer people to wanting a Dumble clone. I want NOTHING to do with any of that scene. The names Dumble, Robben, HRM, Skyliner blah blah blah....tend to switch my 'off' button pretty quickly.

With regards to your comments about modeling a particular amp in the digital domain, its not exactly as simple as you described, but I get what you are saying.
 
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If you read it in the context of the previous posts and the following lines of my post you quoted, I touched on that.
Okay, thanks. I see that you just edited your previous comment with an additional paragraph. You're still being a bit elusive in answering my question, but I get it. This is a Fractal forum and you don't want to open a can of worms.
 
LOL...not common to me, but from what I have gathered and tried to understand through the years of reading Cliff's and others posts....he is taking actual electrical, electronic and audio type measurements from the amps in operating conditions. Interprets those findings and through his magic translate that into code which becomes the models.

To me that would be tweaking with electronic ears.

I may be way off
 
Okay, thanks. I see that you just edited your previous comment with an additional paragraph. You're still being a bit elusive in answering my question, but I get it. This is a Fractal forum and you don't want to open a can of worms.


Too me this comes across as trying to start something and you're putting words in his mouth about not wanted to open a can of worms. Very trollish. That may not be your intent but it comes across that way. Carol-Ann answered quite well and stated he doesn't get into the tube vs digital debate and uses both. Sometimes it is what it is and there is nothing Machiavellian going on. I've seen other posts from him in other boards that indicate exactly that. Not that I need to defend him in any way. I am sure he is capable of doing that himself.
 
Well been there done that... I was just going by what Eric told me to my face in person.
He said the Dumble did not sound the same so he passed on buying it.

Even by what Carol ann amps states He hated the amp and passed on it.
Why ?

Because the amp did not sound the same the boards were replaced and the transformer went.
something sounded different enough for him to "Hate it" and pass on it.

Which is exactly what I said to begin with.

That being said I did not care for Brandons vanilla amp and I sold it back too the person who I bought it from.
In turn Brandon and that person told ebay the amp was broken on arrival first then changed that story to
it had been tampered with.

Pick a story broken on arrival or tampered with ?
They have now sent me too a collection agency and I dont have the amp.

If you like that type of treatment from someone you paid 6500 too in good faith
then by all means deal with Bludotone amps.

Instead of putting 4 new tubes in it and testing it after rebiasing the amp,
He voided the warranty.

Who would you expect to put tubes in the amp if the original builder cant or refuses to do so ?

If the very builder of the amp wont put new tubes in the amp and rebias it to test it against his own amp
to prove the amp is 100% good to go then who should do that ?

When I said put 4 tubes in the amp and rebias it test it against his personal hpd sss 150 clone
he voided the warranty.

Brandon wanted 1200 dollars to clean dust out of the inside of the amp and that did not include
tubes .

I offered to send 100 dollars to clean a 26.5 inch long amp out and I suggested he put
known good 6550 tubes in it and set the bias and test it for a solid week.

Leave the amp on burn it in again and if it works just fine and sounds the same
then perhaps he would realize the amp is the same as what I purchased to begin with
minus two gassed out tubes.

Brandon told me two tubes were broken no longer working
I said put 4 tubes in rebias it and test it against your personal best.

He voided the warranty and shipped the amp back after being told no one would be here
to accept it and furthermore my attorney said do not accept that amp if its dangerous as he claims.

Brandon told ebay that someone might be killed if they turned the amp on to play it.
I said well why would you allow something like that to be sold in the first place on ebay ?

Furthermore Brandon was not concerned about my safety or health nor my sons but only someone else
the amp might be sold too.

I was told by the owner I bought the amp from he was glad to be getting it back
he then sold it to someone else and shipped it to Brandon for checkup.

Brandon said the rca plug came loose and 2 tubes were broken.
I said well thats an insurance claim if fed ex dropped the amp that hard
and knocked the reverb cables loose and broke 2 tubes
they can do an insurance claim..

I did not drop the amp my son and I carried it into Fed ex and Id recorded with the amp
that morning it was fine..
But then the story changed from broken tubes too the amp had Dust inside it and
Brandon was not going to just turn the amp on and test it.

I said why not I just had played it. The amp was overnighted too Nashville to original owner
and he instantly sold it to someone else after telling me he was so glad to be getting it back.

Classy right ?
So Brandon then states the amp had been tampered with and he was voiding the warranty.

I stated the only thing ever changed on the amp was 6550 tubes
for one or two days if that and the original tubes were put right back in it
as the GE tubes I had did not sound as good.

Thats not tampering with the amp nor is setting bias thats standard service work.
Brandon said he was voiding the warranty and would consider re instating warranty for
1200 dollars and that did not include new tubes.
might be more he said.

I said it does not cost 1200 dollars to put 4 6550s in just to test the amp
but Brandon refused to just install 4 known good 6550s in it just to bias it and test it.

I was gone for Christmas and evidently the amp was shipped even after I explained no one
would be here to accept it.

I have no idea where the amps is ive not seen it since I shipped it from Fed Ex
in an anvil case one week after this was bought on ebay and paid for
I shipped it overnight after payment cleared.

nov 21st 22nd it was in Fed ex hands being overnighted to Nashville.
I never heard a word about it being broken on arrival.
In fact I did not hear anything about it till 28 or 29 days after and
Brandon had called here leaving message to call.

I have no idea where the amp is but Brandon voided the warranty
without putting 4 known good tubes in it biasing it and testing it.

He just voided the warranty.

I just got a letter from the collection agency for 5600 dollars
ebay turned me over too a collection agency on account of Brandon and this original
owner refusing to make a fed ex insurance claim on broken tubes.

Classy huh ?
Just think there are others in line for 2 years for one of these amps and they have paid
over half of 6500 to own one .

You think if they knew Eric hated it when it came back too him and that Brandon cloned that
amp that they might have second thoughts about wanting one ?

I bought the amp because I was told it was 1:1 direct replica and exactly like Erics amp
because Brandon cloned that amp.
I know that its not the same amp that was voiced for Eric to begin with.

Now if I stood over Erics original amp and actually touched the dark purple epoxy in it
and said to Bill Johnson the tech trying to call Dumble on the phone
he wont tell you how to fix it and thats exactly what happened is that delusional ?

Question for Carol ann amps did Eric tell you that he hated the sound of the amp
when he got it back just to try it and passed on it ?
I just want to make sure thats not delusional if he told you the same thing he told me
since I was there when it broke down and I was there and spoke too him when the amp came back.

Im just a tad confused as to how id be considered telling anything but the truth.
The amp is not the same as what Eric had voiced originally
again did I not just say the boards and transformer were replaced ?

Somehow I think there is an echo in here.
Thats exactly what I just said..

The amp broke down it had the boards and transformer replaced.
When that happened the voicing went with it as Dumble did not
re voice the amp for Eric after that happened.

That means he repaired the amp and it did not sound the same.
So how can it be advertised as Eric Johnson's amp or Stevie Rays amp ?

Especially when Stevie Rays amp had a 400 watt transformer in it not 150 ?
Stevies amp had the cathode follower Erics amp did not.
Two different amps entirely.

The original voicing for Eric was done in person then he got the amp.
when the amp broke down and burned up a transformer,
it was never the same sound.

That is my point so that being said I bought the amp as it was advertised as that.
on Ebay ..

Yet I dont have any buyer rights on ebay ?

Brandon can call Eric directly and ask him My attorney is going too call Eric.
I dont appreciate loosing my account or being called delusional or hiding behind anything much less a
keyboard.

I see others here using nicknames but I have no reason to lie about what I saw in person
Matter of fact Bill Johnson was the tech at Ray Hennigs Heart of Texas music
he is not related to Eric. He called Dumble I was standing right there.

If you would like contact Eric yourself and ask him if he knows Bill Johnson
ask him if Bill was told how to fix that amp or not.
If he did know how then how come it was shipped back to Dumble via Steve Bruton
who Eric bought the amp from ?

Call him and ask him exactly what I told Brandon the same thing.
Call Eric and ask him. I know Carol ann amps worked with Eric
helped him fix some things so that fits..

I know Kenny Fischer made an amp for Eric and Eric passed on that amp
Kenny told me that on the phone.
I used to speak too him once a week while building amps in Austin Tx.

Matter of fact when I found a 58 gold top for EJ he came to get me at work
in Austin to go get it and we had a 150 watt amp there
I had it setup with the same pedals Eric used and Eric came in and listened too the amp
and played it some and I asked him then hey what did you think did it sound
at all like your Dumble ?

Close but no cigar that was a 4212 amp I passed on buying that amp
I worked there and helped build them that was 24 years ago.

I have no reason to lie and nothing to prove but im being charged 5600 dollars
again for something I dont want to own and I can indeed back my facts up.

Eric will verify the gold top
Eric will verify the jtm 100 like Hendrix used at Electric lady land
I found those things for him
Eric will verify trading me super tremolo plexi marshalls I owned one he
turned me onto for 16 years then traded him for a lead amp 300 serial numbers off.

He used that amp to finish Venus Isle.
ask him Brandon wont.

I have no reason to speak about things I have no idea about
so if you would like to verify that directly with Eric you go right ahead
we plan too.

I know what I saw and touched in person.
I have pictures of my step children with Eric holding the 58 les paul.
My eldest step son was in boy scouts with Reese Wynans child.

When they took the boy scouts on a field trip it was to meet Stevie ray
they asked does anyone here know who this is ?
My eldest son spoke up Yea thats Stevie Ray !

Stevie came over and put his hat on that boy for knowing that.

I have known Eric since 1978 unless I just imagined all that.
 
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Too me this comes across as trying to start something and you're putting words in his mouth about not wanted to open a can of worms. Very trollish. That may not be your intent but it comes across that way. Carol-Ann answered quite well and stated he doesn't get into the tube vs digital debate and uses both. Sometimes it is what it is and there is nothing Machiavellian going on. I've seen other posts from him in other boards that indicate exactly that. Not that I need to defend him in any way. I am sure he is capable of doing that himself.
It's all good, man. I ain't trying to be a troll. Just giving my opinion and point of view on the matter. If he responds and sets me straight, I ain't got no problem with being proven wrong in my assumptions.
 
I use tube amps and solid state preamps as well the Axe fx II.

I owned several Plexis and a Dumble and several Dumble clones
to stay on point im not left of right Ive been flexible and always decide myself
with my own ears..

I have no reason to troll anyone and im certainly no expert on anything,
I built tube amps in production line fashion for 2 years and ive done mostly
all my own work on guitars and amps after being exposed too the pros that did them
for the top players of Austin area.. I lived there since 1980 we moved from Austin about 12 years ago.
I am a single father and I have no reason to troll anybody or make up anything.
I just happened to live there and I was always at the music store my interest was guitar and great sound
and those guys taught me all I know.

So I dont want to come off as a know it all or expert on anything much less a troll
just sharing my personal experience about amps I own. People I personally have known in my lifetime and still do..

I was at Stevens guitar shop when Stevie Ray came in after breaking his headstock off.
I was there getting work done because they did the work on Ejs guitars and Stevie Rays guitars
Jr Brown ect.

The best players took their instruments too Mike Stevens and I learned how to setup and strobe fenders and gibson guitars there
by watching how it was done by the pros.
same thing with the amplifiers I was going too every Tech Eric used getting my amps dialed in to try to sound like that.

I know foolish child what was I thinking..
I thought if I had those things Id become a better player and sound more like my hero's.

I should be drawn and quartered at Dawn for having such thoughts.
This is not my first witch hunt and I have killed many witches..
I was married too the wicked witch of the south..

I will be the first to admit if I am wrong about anything in this particular
instance there is another reason to smear me.

The reason is the amp is not what everybody thinks it is.
Its not the same and was not voiced for Eric again before it came back
which is why it was sold and passed on.

Now had I known that before I bought that amp with Estate funds
after my Mother had died, I would not have spent 6500 dollars on it.

But to ruin my credit and try to shame me somehow to to paint me
as not being truthful is slander its causing me financial problems
and it was done on purpose.

The reason is they dont want me speaking about the fact the amp is not as what its being described as.
Now its either an exact replica of Ejs #5 Dumble Steel String Singer or its not.

If its not the same as what Eric owned to begin with then it cant possibly be anything at all close to being a 1:1 replica
and exactly the same sound.

Thats why I dont want the amp its misleading.

I saw behind the Green curtain and I was behind it the first time the original Dumble burned up
So I know the amp Brandon cloned is not 1:1 its not the same sound or same amp at all.

Thats just a fact not trying to be a troll either.

I stated I found those sounds Id been after for 24 years plus now in the AXE FX II
I did so by having either the amps sitting here to go bye in person or
using good sound references..

Thats the entire reason I bought an axe fx II.

Ive chased those rabbits down the hole already and I built tube amps for 2 years
in production line fashion so I know the hype that helps to sell them.

I know I never was able to make one there to sound the same and the owner could not do it
I know Dumble himself tried to make duplicates for Carlos and Ej for that matter and
he could not pull it off.

The reason is parts differ as do transformers and no two amps will sound identically the same for those reasons.
Just as Carol ann amps stated.

That is correct.
My only point here is the amp I bought for 6500 dollars was advertised as Erics same amp
its not and for the reasons stated here.
Even by Carol Ann Amps account Eric did not like the amp.

I have never heard Eric use the Term hate about anything
he just told me it did not sound the same.

I confirmed that story this year through his current Tech
and he informed me he had fixed many bludo amps
fixing them to sound more like Dumbles.

I asked if he had been inside any HPD amps
and he said no.
He had not ever worked on one or been inside one
only the ODS types which had to be fixed.

Now my question is are those warranties voided ?
Because he repaired them ?

Id say those amps need to be voided warranty wise if someone else worked on them
in my case a tech put different tubes in for one day and the original tubes were put back in
thats it..

Brandon voided the warranty on my amp but these others are special ?
I mean I need to be the scapegoat here evidently.

For telling the truth about what I personally experienced and saw in person ?
Witch Hunt

again not the first Witch Ive killed.
metaphorically speaking that is..

My point is do not fall for anyone telling you they have Eric Johnsons voicing and can make
a Dumble amp exactly like the one he owned because that would be a lie.

I can clearly state here that I have found most all the sounds ive been chasing since 1978
within the AXE FX II. That is fact and I will buy another one for that very reason..

I praise the service at Fractal Audio all the time and I spread the word on what I would buy
knowing this now.

The only tube amp I might consider buying would be a Carol ann amp because I really liked what I heard
inside the AXE FX regarding those amps and I found myself not wanting to stop playing it.

But aside from that ive owned most of the amps ive wanted and sold them all but just a few.
I put alot of money into the ODSR amp I had made and even after that amp was built
we improved it here with old glass and nos parts.
so ive kept that one and I kept the Dumble because the cleans from that amp surpass the
Bludo.

I used dry reference recordings to match those amps by ear.
I then sold all the other amps off which until now was not an issue.

Only with bludotone amps have I had an issue with matching them tone wise
or selling them.

Thus the witch hunt here but again I was speaking about amps I personally own
including Dumble amp and comparing them directly too AXE FX sounds ive been able to match by ear.
I did not use tone matching other then using my ears.

I sure hope thats legal until im told its not or warned legally by an attorney that I need to
stop talking about it then I will assume I still live in the USA..

There is no magic beans in Bludotone amps and from what im told even the ODS amps
had to be tweaked and touched and I guess tampered with to be made to sound right.

Now thats coming from Erics Tech himself stating that his name is Bill Webb.
Bill works at Austin Vintage Guitars and he is Ben Harpers tech as well Ejs.

I used to take my amps to Bill while in Austin if I could not fix them myself
I went to the pros then Id ask what the issue was to learn.

Burn me at the stake for that.

How dare I like Eric Johnson's tone

I should be flogged in public for the rest of my natural life for it.

I should be made to pay and pay over and over until I die
for being curious.

I hope everyone can forgive me for liking guitar tones and music.
 
Hi guys,

Cliff owns a Tucana 3 and as of this week also a Triptik 50W (a lovely one in a gorgeous figured maple head cab actually). The Triptik originally modeled is the Axe was borrowed from a friend of mine and is actually a little modified. I drive Cliff nuts because I'll send him schematics, but I hand tweak each one, so when he opens his own up, it invariably different to the schematic. I do this so they all sound releatively similar and consistent. When you are building in the real world, you are dealing with hundreds of components that all have tolerances ranging from +/-1% to +/-20% as well as the effects of lead dress and the huge differences in tubes out there. So anyone who says they clone a Dumble or whatever because they are using identical components and values are generally missing the point totally. I cloned 5 Trainwrecks's for actual TW owners back in 2007. The owners sent me their amps to check out. I never opened up one of them. I just played them then recreated the tones I was hearing.

As most of you know Cliff owns many of the amps modeled in his products.

Firstly, the Tucana isn't a Dumble clone. The OD series amps are a bit closer to that thing, but still not clones. I've worked on a lot of Dumbles and they really aren't my thing. I'm British, I come more from the Marshall camp.

I play out live every week in a popular local cover band. I designed the original Tucana 1 model back in 2006 for myself. It was never ever meant to be a model in the CA lineup. But a few guys heard it and liked it so I added it and it to the lineup as a stand alone model or an ugrade to an OD2/3. I then updated it in 2010 to the Tucana 2 and more recently the Tucana 3. It's always been the flagship model and the one where I try out new ideas and designs that often also get included eventually in the other models.
The amp is meant for a gigging session player / cover band player /wedding band player. It's power, functions, ease of use, clarity of the front panel controls on a dark stage, biasmon circuit and wide array of tones make it a very useable 'live' model, just as it was always meant to be even before it was just my own amp.

To answer the question on the Axe taking away sales because it has a good emulation of the model....is about as far from the truth as you can get. They are different technologies and have different uses for different people. I use the amp in situations I wouldn't use an Axe and I use the Axre in situations its impossible to use the amp. All are part of my tool kit. I don't get in to the whole tube vs digital BS. Use whatever is the most suitable for your project. Right tool for the job. People who are hard left or hard right on the subject and generally not very experienced players in the real world......or simply forum trouble makers / haters.

Love your work. A Triptik 50 is in my future, soon as I can convince the Mrs. that we need a house full of amps again :D
BTW, was the figured shell for Cliff's a custom option or outsourced?
 
I owned several Plexis and a Dumble and several Dumble clones

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I hope everyone can forgive me for liking guitar tones and music.

DUDE!!! Seriously? Do you think you made your point yet?
 
I'm suing everyone in this thread. Rest assured I will come up with a unique reason for each and every one of you bastards.

If you are reading this, prepare your anus. no hole is safe.

This is my time
Have your people contact my people. [emoji41]
 
The fact that a physical copy is basically useless can be experienced by anyone: just go to any shop and play their [insert amp here]s. they'll likely all sound different, sometimes amazingly so. I played 4 rectos in the studio last week and they were definitely different even though they're all same year amps with supposedly the exact same stuff inside. Sure, they didn't sound like a JCM 800. three of them were pretty close and the fourth was pretty different, still mesaish but it had "different" mediums and way more low end than the other three. Which, for a recording, was actually detrimental. this possibly would be less noticeable in machine made amps, but as long as you are using handmade ones, there will be the human element that will change some things, a little more soldering there, a different tranny batch, a cable 1 mm longer there, a resistor beahving a bit differently, add all the little differences and you can endup with a pretty different product.
That is actually one of the strengths of modellers: my pals axefxes sound the same as mine. I just have to send an email with the patches in it, because the firmware of both are perfect duplicates.
 
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