Electronic Cigarettes. Are they bad for you?

Ole said:
Im not offended. I just really wonder why people use that word the way they do. And why it is allowed.
I can think of so many other condescending and discriminatory words used towards minorities through out the history.
Using those words would get me banned imidiately. From 99% of all forums on the Internet.
Hopefully this will end the same way.
Click to expand...

The real question is why are you so offended?

I know many homosexual's as we regularly play at a gay bar (yup it is even advertised as a "GAY BAR" with a huge pink sign), and they prefer to be called gay. Does this offend you too? It is not discriminatory, it is not condescending and it in no way is rude. It has nothing to do with them being a minority or not, it's simply a label they chose because homosexual sounds like a medical condition. This is all well documented, and even wikipedia has accurate information on the subject. FYI, homosexuals also understand when a person says "man that's gay," that it is slang and it is not being used in a sexual reference. It's just common sense.

I think you need to open up your closed mind and see it for what it is, not what you think it is.
 
Severed said:
The real question is why are you so offended?

I know many homosexual's as we regularly play at a gay bar (yup it is even advertised as a "GAY BAR" with a huge pink sign), and they prefer to be called gay. Does this offend you too? It is not discriminatory, it is not condescending and it in no way is rude. It has nothing to do with them being a minority or not, it's simply a label they chose because homosexual sounds like a medical condition. This is all well documented, and even wikipedia has accurate information on the subject. FYI, homosexuals also understand when a person says "man that's gay," that it is slang and it is not being used in a sexual reference. It's just common sense.

I think you need to open up your closed mind and see it for what it is, not what you think it is.
Click to expand...

Well first of all. You could start with reading my post. Atleast the first 3 words.
Then you could start thinking about other minorities that have been called by "slang" words.
And then once again try to explain why it is allright to pick on a minority just by calling it "slang".
I never said that gay's would mind be called gay??? where did you get that from?
But I know for a fact that gay's do care, and do get offended by the casual and condescending use of the word gay.
Using it insted of "idiot, stupid, lame and so forth" actually do offend and hurt some people.
But hey, I guess thats ok cus ist "slang".
 
Ole said:
Im not offended. I just really wonder why people use that word the way they do. And why it is allowed.
I can think of so many other condescending and discriminatory words used towards minorities through out the history.
Using those words would get me banned imidiately. From 99% of all forums on the Internet.
Hopefully this will end the same way.
Click to expand...

Point is to transcend identity. But, alas, people are born to suffer......

Besides, I've done the deed, so I've earned my stripes ta say it. HAHN HAHN HAHN HAHN HAHN HAHN HAHN............

Incidentally, when I fuck up, I often affect a Fred Sanford voice, "Hey, dummae!....."


((I have to point my mom this way. She just loves my repartee, and has commented on wishing she could hear/see the things I say out an about, rather than just hearing my stories of them....))
 
This thread should stuck to the OP's question don't ya think?
Yes Ricky.. I'mean SEVERED needed to tell us we look gay when using a vapor device..
I thought it was imature.

Let's all move along and Severed can say hi to Julian and Bubbles for us

Typical Canadian wide arrogance

ahhm, keep to the OP.
 
Last edited:
Dramelot said:
This thread should stuck to the OP's question don't ya think?
Yes Ricky.. I'mean SEVERED needed to tell us we look gay when using a vapor device..
I thought it was imature.

Let's all move along and Severed can say hi to Julian and Bubbles for us

Typical Canadian wide arrogance

ahhm, keep to the OP.
Click to expand...

Someones got their panties in a bunch lol. I call how I see it, sorry you are touchy-feely about it. Insulting my Country is kinda taking it too far though don't you think? No skin off my back, but it's a shame some people are just babies and can't discuss anything without resorting to personal insults because they have a different view.

I'm sorry that I don't know the references you are referring too, but I'm assuming they have something to do with homosexuality?
 
I don't care if you like men, women, or both and a sheep with lipstick thrown in ...

... but I do think that if the e-cigs that look like real cigarettes were to be banned and only the mechanical Jules Verne type ones were licenced then there would be less chance of kids being tempted to 'look cool' by using the replica style ones and then running the chance of getting a nicotine addiction.

Tobacco has been around for what ... 400 years or so? You can't expect it to be snuffed out (pun intended) in a decade. Increasing awareness of the dangers of starting anything nicotine related and helping those who are already addicted by offering alternatives that can aid in weaning off is the right path I think.

Increasing taxation on tobacco is going to come to a point where illicit trading of sub-standard products will become a major problem. Awareness of the danger in smoking is high .... so parents really need to press it home by educating and monitoring their kids through those potentially treacherous influential early teen years and try their damnest to stop them experimenting.

I was summoned by my wife to 'punish' one of my kids lately (13 yo) who had been caught trying cigarettes given to her by a friend. I just sat with her told her that I had absolutely no need to punish her because she had already punished herself more than I ever could and explained (with a suitably sad face) that she had put tar in her lungs that will be stuck there for the rest of her life .... luckily, it seems to have worked and shes now pretty firmly anti-smoking.
 
Yes, it's extremely difficult to get the "nicotine is dangerous and addictive" slogans out of people's heads.
The smoke is the danger, not the nicotine.
 
merlin17 said:
Yes, it's extremely difficult to get the "nicotine is dangerous and addictive" slogans out of people's heads.
The smoke is the danger, not the nicotine.
Click to expand...

Exactly. If people are concerned about the addicting properties of nicotine, they need to go after coffee and tea and soda as well. Caffeine it's equally as addictive and harmful if abused. Otherwise it's completely hypocritical to want to keep caffeine and ban nicotine. This is about politics and money. Has nothing to do about health.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I547 using Tapatalk
 
It would be awful if twenty five years years from now, after decades of being guinea pigs to the effects of electronic cigarettes, it is discovered that these things are the cause of some incurable fatal lung fungus.

I think that would be the ultimate "derp" moment for a lot of people.
 
Alien Ore said:
It would be awful if twenty five years years from now, after decades of being guinea pigs to the effects of electronic cigarettes, it is discovered that these things are the cause of some incurable fatal lung fungus.

I think that would be the ultimate "derp" moment for a lot of people.
Click to expand...

Same can be said about cell phones and radiation. Let's ban them since we don't know. ;-)

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I547 using Tapatalk
 
Alien Ore said:
It would be awful if twenty five years years from now, after decades of being guinea pigs to the effects of electronic cigarettes, it is discovered that these things are the cause of some incurable fatal lung fungus.
Click to expand...
That's true. And we won't know for sure until twenty-five years have passed.

Meanwhile, the best info we have is that the principal ingredients are classified by the FDA as GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) when used as food additives.
 
Rex said:
That's true. And we won't know for sure until twenty-five years have passed.

Meanwhile, the best info we have is that the principal ingredients are classified by the FDA as GRAS (Generally Recognized As Safe) when used as food additives.
Click to expand...

*slathers veggie dip on cellphone, nibbles*
 
  • Like
Reactions: Rex
don't know what the problem is - no one is stopping anyone puffing away to their hearts content.
is it a huge problem to go outside of buildings you don't own for a puff; smokers have been doing that for years around here with no issues (for using tobacco and the fake ones too)
 
hideous said:
don't know what the problem is - no one is stopping anyone puffing away to their hearts content.
Click to expand...

Unfortunately, that's completely untrue. The fact that vaping is getting lumped in with smoking is the problem. My company banned all tobacco products from the entire site - indoors and outdoors! Now, due to complete ignorance, they have included vaping even though it is not tobacco, and there is no solid evidence of any danger. It's complete ignorance, and so yes, someone is stopping anyone from puffing away. There are groups pushing governments to ban it completely, yet no one is pushing to ban alcohol, caffeine, or their drug of choice. As has been said many time in this thread, the ingredients are FDA approved for human consumption. Tobacco is not. To compare burning a dried plant with 100's of chemicals added to vaping 2 FDA approved ingredients plus nicotine is just absurd. But since smokers have been the worlds bitch since it was discovered that it's unhealthy, we might as well just keep telling them they can't enjoy their nicotine (as we drink our caffeine coffee and eat our fat laden donut). Sorry, just really tired of the hypocrisy involved here. The ass munch VP at my company that pushed the ban on tobacco at our site is also a RAGING alcoholic. That's okay though, because alcohol isn't harmful to the people around the user. Um?????
 
Since this thread seems to be permanently detailed at this point, I'd like to state that the hypocricy around addiction, in this society of caffeine addicts, has bothered me for a long time. When we as a culture are so blatantly and blindly hypocritical in our day to day behavior, what chance do we have of recognizing hypocricy around freedom, human rights, waging war, and so many other issues? At least here in the USA I feel we practice extreme self centered hypocricy almost as a way of life.

Sorry for the rant folks, of course there is a bright side, but these issues don't come up much, so there you go... :)
 
Last edited:
kfliegner said:
For your consideration
Click to expand...

What comes out clearly to me in that "report" is that it will be becoming dangerous as the big players enter the market. The FDA wants to give the market to big pharma (as the EU wants it, too) and big tobacco wants it for themselves. What the consumers want by themselves doesn't matter to them. We hear the same "arguments" against vaping in Europe, too. Bullshit like "it leads to eventually smoke real cigarettes", come on, 99% of the vapers vape as an alternative to smoking. Vaping does not lead to smoking, I know of no one having done that. And my e-cigarette (the name itself was/ is a mistake!) doesn't even remotely look like a regular cigarette either. And "dual users", well, at least they minimize smoking with that (and might eventually quit smoking completely), that should be seen as a good sign, not as a bad. And I don't know what the FDA wants to regulate ("we don't know exactly what's in the liquids") - we know it: PG, VG, water, Nicotine, flavors. Why should anybody put anything else in there? A German politician even stated in an interview with a big newspaper that people are vaping cannabis oil and viagra in their e-cigarettes - HELLO? that won't work even if someone wanted to do that. That's propaganda, nothing else. That guy even sounded drunk in the interview...
 
sam said:
Since this thread seems to be permanently detailed at this point, I'd like to state that the hippocracy around addiction, in this society of caffeine addicts, has bothered me for a long time. When we as a culture are so blatantly and blindly hippocritical in our day to day behavior, what chance do we have of recognizing hippocracy around freedom, human rights, waging war, and so many other issues? At least here in the USA I feel we practice extreme self centered hippocracy almost as a way of life.

Sorry for the rant folks, of course there is a bright side, but these issues don't come up much, so there you go... :)
Click to expand...

+1
But you meant "hypocrisy". ;) I had to look it up, too...
 
  • Like
Reactions: sam
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom