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Effect Block Ordering

Discussion in 'Axe-Fx II Discussion' started by loopie, Jul 18, 2013.

  1. loopie

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    I'm still pretty new with my AFX, but I am confused about the Effects Block Ordering.
    Typically with a "pedal" setup, you typically put your effects in the order of..
    "dirt effect, amp, time based effects,speaker cab".
    With my AFX I see the typical setup of...
    "dirt effect, amp, speaker cab, time based effects.
    Shouldn't the Delay/Modulator/Reverb, go before the cabinet effect?
    What am I missing?

    Actually as I am writing, I was thinking, the Time Bassed Effects go between the Amplifiers Pre Amp, and the Amplifiers Power Amp sections.
    With the AFX I don't see how to split an amp to put effects blocks between the Pre and Power Amp sections of the Amplifier.
    What gives?

    Thanks,
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  2. chris

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    No need to put things between amp and cab - after the cab will give the same or an extremely similar effect as something in the Loop of a real amp.

    Try it, you'll like it
     
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  3. lqdsnddist

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    You can freely move the order around to however you like it best as well
     
  4. simeon

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    anything you put in front of the cab will be coloured by the cab's eq. if you like that, then do it. otherwise think like a recording studio - the mic on the cab goes to the desk and then the time based fx are added with no colouration.
     
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    Oh, and anything you put in front of a mono cab will be mono, so best to
    Put after if you want to hear in stereo. The presets are set up like this.
     
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    From what I understand, it doesn't matter if you put effects before or after the cab. With IR's, it's the same net result.
     
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    Trust your ears. All it takes is a few mouse clicks to move any element into any order; which order sounds best through the physical equipment you're using?

    Anytime I build a preset, I tend to space the Amp and Cab out, with room before and after both:
    AE screenshot.JPG

    That way, I can move things into different spots and choose the ordering that works best for what I want out of the patch.
     
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    Take a look at the way Fractal has set up most of their effects patches. They have put them in the order most frequently used.
     
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    I haven't bought my Axe8 yet. Do Fractal products come with some patches (presets), or are "effects patches" something different?

    The thing I don't understand is in the physical world, if I put something after the cab it would be unusable.

    Are we saying because it's all virtual, order is completely irrelevant then?
     
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    When you record in a studio, there are MANY effects used “after your cab.”

    Have you read the Owners manual basics section? It explains it quite well.
     
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    Ok thanks, I was thinking in terms of a stage set up.

    Yes, I've read half of the Ax8 manual. I must have forgotten that part.
     
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    In stage setups, effects are added at the mixer as well. With the Axe, you can take control of those types of effects yourself.
     
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    use your ear, to decide what's best for you
     
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    IR's have nothing to do with the coloration that can happen putting time based fx before the amp. they are far more affected by OD/distortion when put before the amp and cab.
     
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    Might be better next time to post AX8 questions in the AX8 forum rather than an Axe Fx II thread that is 5+ years dead...
     
  16. 80sMetalDude

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    Ive been begging for some guides / YouTube's of this exact topic. When / Why to parallel, why this order or that?

    Of course experimentation is key and 'ears for the win' but I have a day job and knowledge leads to more efficient use of play time.
     
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    This is not an Axe Fx specific issue. The same questions exist for analog rigs, too

    And for most of the "right" answers, there a "wrong" one that gets good results in the right context.

    At most, you're going to get generalities... And a simple Google search can answer those.
     
  18. 80sMetalDude

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    I hear you 100% unix-guy but it's way more fun to talk about this stuff here!
     
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    I made a video talking about exactly this. I didn’t go into parallel but I did talk about why this order and that order with examples. I’ll link them below. Hope it helps!

    Effects Order:


    Delay Placement:
     

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