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Axe-Fx III Third-Party MIDI Spec

Discussion in 'Axe-Fx III Discussion' started by FractalAudio, Jul 9, 2018.

  1. FractalAudio

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    wow!
     
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    double wow!
     
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    I’m not a III player (AX8) so can someone explain what the third party midi spec is for?

    Does it specify CCs for use with III?

    I’m guessing it’s something more based on the exclamations above.
     
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    Mostly for third party software/ hardware devs whose products interface with the III.
     
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    The III can be remapped to allow whatever CC you want for whatever function you want, essentially speaking.

    That’s easy adjustments which work with any controller. This spec is sysex data for more direct communication and specific control of a dedicated control setup.
     
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    I must be having a rough day. I have re-read the midi specs again and again. The section starting the Tempo / Tuner, mentions having send Realtime Sysex turned on in the Global menu in order for these to function. I can’t find anything in Global (or other menus) relating to the realtime sysex messages. Is this something that will be added in the full version of 1.13, or am I just blind?

    Lee
     
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    might be forth coming. I'm guessing it's still being finalized. Ron at RJM said he's working with Cliff to get it just good enough to where he can offer the same level of support as the II. So i'm guessing it'll be somewhat cemented soon, and revisited down the road or in future firmwares when needed.
     
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    The document post-dates 1.13 Beta, so I think it's quite clear what will appear in 1.13 Final, based on the contents of the document.
     
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    I wouldn't say its incomplete. It clearly states its a document for 3rd party devices to control the III ie midi controllers.
    Its not for writing an editor which seems is what your asking for.

    Mark
     
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    Exactly, i guess i'll have to continue sniffing. .. Time lost
     
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    Thanks Alexander. Matches my thoughts.
     
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    @AlGrenadine I’m sure you already saw this, but on my second time reading through the midi doc ver 1.1, the last line in the synopsis section mentions contacting Fractal to obtain a list of effect IDs. Just thought I’d mention it in case it might help.

    Cheers

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    Yes, i already have it ;)
     
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    Does Axe-Edit-III still communicate with the III via MIDI? If you one could get those still missing SysEx commands by intercepting the communication. A lot of work, but possible. Or did Cliff invent a completely different protocol? FasLink II seems to be something completely new, so whatever he uses there might be used for Axe-Edit-III.

    Just guessing ;)

    Nonetheless, a very nice move to officially provide such information!!!
     
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    The document is intended for 3rd-party MIDI controller manufacturers, not editors.
     
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    Is there any hope i could get the missing information? ;)
     
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    Might try making something with my arduino based off of this. Thanks!
     

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