shatteredsquare
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as much as I truly appreciate Yeks efforts in making the amp guide, I also appreciate not having to reference it every time I want to take the approach of dialing in tones with authentic controls.
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as much as I truly appreciate Yeks efforts in making the amp guide, I also appreciate not having to reference it every time I want to take the approach of dialing in tones with authentic controls.
i understand all of that part. thanks for the reply.It is an amp modeler. Everything about the amp, it's uniqueness, it's mojo, whatever you want to call it, is being modeled. A lot of these amps are unfamiliar to some of us. We've never had access to these amps in real life. I can understand that it's a nice thought to say to us that we should just use our ears, turn a few knobs, only some knobs, or no knobs and go with what sounds good. But since the amp is modeled with such authenticity, it's nice to be able to quickly use exactly what was on the amp when dialing in the tones, no more, no less. Since Cliff has spent so much time, blood, sweat and tears to make it so accurate, why not have the option to treat it accurately when dialing in the tone? And as much as I truly appreciate Yeks efforts in making the amp guide, I also appreciate not having to reference it every time I want to take the approach of dialing in tones with authentic controls. If authenticity wasn't the point of all this, then why bother with the modeling in the first place? Cliff could have just designed ideal amps and call it a day. And the fact that Cliff will be adding an easy way to switch between these two methods is fantastic. I don't know how else to explain this in a way to understand it.
It is an amp modeler. Everything about the amp, it's uniqueness, it's mojo, whatever you want to call it, is being modeled. A lot of these amps are unfamiliar to some of us. We've never had access to these amps in real life. I can understand that it's a nice thought to say to us that we should just use our ears, turn a few knobs, only some knobs, or no knobs and go with what sounds good. But since the amp is modeled with such authenticity, it's nice to be able to quickly use exactly what was on the amp when dialing in the tones, no more, no less. Since Cliff has spent so much time, blood, sweat and tears to make it so accurate, why not have the option to treat it accurately when dialing in the tone? And as much as I truly appreciate Yeks efforts in making the amp guide, I also appreciate not having to reference it every time I want to take the approach of dialing in tones with authentic controls. If authenticity wasn't the point of all this, then why bother with the modeling in the first place? Cliff could have just designed ideal amps and call it a day. And the fact that Cliff will be adding an easy way to switch between these two methods is fantastic. I don't know how else to explain this in a way to understand it.
Sometimes I "deal with advanced parameters" by trying to figure out which ones to ignore to stay true to the original amp. So yeah, if they're ignored for me, I don't have to deal with them anymore, and it becomes easier to dial in amps to its original range of tones.what i'm puzzled about is how we "don't have to deal with advanced parameters anymore" or similar "only now..." statements referencing how much easier it is in general to dial in because we "can't see those advanced things now." those haven't changed....?
I have to clarify: the “Advanced parameters” haven’t changed at all, unless people are considering Presence, Depth, Mids and similar as “advanced.” None of the things like Negative Feedback or Sag have moved or changed. For example, on some amps, only Depth has been “ignored” as you put it.So yeah, if they're ignored for me, I don't have to deal with them anymore, and it becomes easier to dial in amps to its original range of tones.
Well per release notes, if those parameters are not part of the original amp, it now goes in the "Advanced" tab. So I think that's why people are referring to them as "advanced parameters."I have to clarify: the “Advanced parameters” haven’t changed at all, unless people are considering Presence, Depth, Mids and similar as “advanced.” None of the things like Negative Feedback or Sag have moved or changed. On some amps, only Depth has been “ignored” as you put it.
Maybe that’s my question: do people consider Mids and Presence an advanced parameter?
Maybe. I mean, they are pretty basic, and are considered “basic” for other amp types.Oh, was it just the wording "advanced parameter" for you? Well per release notes, if those parameters are not part of the original amp, it now goes in the "Advanced" tab. So I think that's why people are referring to them as "advanced parameters."
No, they're not advanced concepts. But they're in the advanced tabs now, therefore they are now categorically advanced parameters... no?Maybe. I mean, they are pretty basic, and are considered “basic” for other amp types.
Can a parameter be considered “basic” for one amp and “advanced” for another?
Like, we’re talking about the Mids knob or Master Volume. Surely those aren’t “advanced” concepts in general, regardless of what tab they’re on.
Just talking this out, again no judgment or anything.
I guess maybe after folks try it and see that an amp with no tone stack kind of sucks in many ways they will appreciate having the controls they do and think Cliff was right all along adding those parameters to any and all amps
Actually, all the basic amp controls are in the advanced tab including treble & bass so is everything on the amp now an advanced parameter because it is on the advanced page?No, they're not advanced concepts. But they're in the advanced tabs now, therefore they are now categorically advanced parameters... no?
If you want people to call them something else, make a suggestion to FAS to rename that tab? Dunno.
I have to clarify: the “Advanced parameters” haven’t changed at all, unless people are considering Presence, Depth, Mids and similar as “advanced.” None of the things like Negative Feedback or Sag have moved or changed. For example, on some amps, only Depth has been “ignored” as you put it.
Maybe that’s my question: do people consider Mids and Presence an advanced parameter?
Again this is just coming from the angle of understanding “it’s so much easier only now” and “all the advanced stuff is only now being hidden.”
what i'm puzzled about is how we "don't have to deal with advanced parameters anymore" or similar "only now..." statements referencing how much easier it is in general to dial in because we "can't see those advanced things now." those haven't changed....?
Maybe that’s my question: do people consider Mids and Presence an advanced parameter?
So........
How them new drives sounding ?
Can we please keep the politics out of the discussion.WEll, ill give an example, Fryette is a special amp with a specific gain staging and tonal concept and that's what makes it what it is.
No extra controls would keep it consistent with the original thought Steve had in mind. Even now, with the new view there is no Gain I and Gain II, controls, so think how far off you might get tweaking all kinds of controls that go against the Philosophy of the original design.
This is the point, not if the parameters are called "Advanced" or "Trump Wall". Who cares what they are called.
Its about True to the Design or "Modding" Controls. I want to easily know if im staying true to a design or modding it, I think its pretty basic.
Can we please keep the politics out of the discussion.
lol if you want to I guess, I wouldn't. Just trying to explain to @chris why people have called some simple parameters "advanced parameters."Actually, all the basic amp controls are in the advanced tab including treble & bass so is everything on the amp now an advanced parameter because it is on the advanced page?View attachment 52802