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iaresee said:
Why is arguing with a Linux zealot like trying to kill a zombie process?

No matter how many logical arguments you send, they just won't terminate and they keep spawning child processes about how "this year will be the year of Linux on the desktop."
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It is 1999. 2000 will surely be the year of Linux on the desktop.

It is 2007. 2008 will surely be the year of Linux on the desktop.

It is 2025. 2026 will surely be the year of Linux on the desktop.

But seriously, I've been using Linux all over the place for server stuff since the late 1900s, even was a high level SRE at an org that accounts for a significant, statistically visible percentage of global Internet traffic (talking terabits a second here), and I don't even bother trying on desktops. Just not worth the headache.
 
Thalagyrt said:
It is 1999. 2000 will surely be the year of Linux on the desktop.

It is 2007. 2008 will surely be the year of Linux on the desktop.

It is 2025. 2026 will surely be the year of Linux on the desktop.

But seriously, I've been using Linux all over the place for server stuff since the late 1900s, even was a high level SRE at an org that accounts for a significant, statistically visible percentage of global Internet traffic (talking terabits a second here), and I don't even bother trying on desktops. Just not worth the headache.
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That's a good idea. You should understand your limitations and patience. I would argue that a lot can change in 30 years.
 
fuzzydude said:
That's a good idea. You should understand your limitations and patience. I would argue that a lot can change in 30 years.
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Totally can, and a TON has changed since 1999 for sure. It's far more usable, but there are a lot of things that just irk me in desktop usage, that mostly are Lennart Poettering's doing... Haha
 
A buddy of mine have had a running gag since college where every New Year's after the ball drops, one of us will call the other one and proclaim "It's 20xx, you know what that means?" and the other one will say "IT'S THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!" and we'll hang up.
 
fuzzydude said:
Again, you are not differentiating the operating system from the apps that are specifically written for it.

The same example for extra clarity: I have two games on NES (Nintendo Entertainment System), but 200 games on an Atari 2600. Is the Atari 2600 therefore better? Or is the NES actually better at everything but just doesn't have as much games written for it currently?
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I don't care which OS is technically superior. I DO care about having the applications I need to be productive without having to think about the OS. BETTER means it gets the job done period with no hoops to jump through. That means rock solid drivers (or better yet no additional drivers), extremely low latency audio performance in my DAW with no glitches, feature rich applications that handle Audio/MIDI, support for many common audio and midi interfaces, support for common plugins like Superior Drummer, etc.

Is your recommendation to run Linux and just hope and dream the SW vendors embrace it and eventually support it? Maybe form a formal church of Linux so that the large audio SW companies will take us seriously? What if I want to make music in the meantime?

No thanks, I'll stick to what works today.
 
deathbyguitar said:
A buddy of mine have had a running gag since college where every New Year's after the ball drops, one of us will call the other one and proclaim "It's 20xx, you know what that means?" and the other one will say "IT'S THE YEAR OF THE LINUX DESKTOP!" and we'll hang up.
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Someone needs to do this as an update to the gag we all know
scary movie wassup GIF
 
Tech preferences are like religion.

Some folks are perfectly content in their choices and beliefs.

Others see it as their duty to convert and reform everyone else.

The world would be a lot simpler and calmer place if everyone would just do whatever works for them and leave everyone else the hell alone.
 
Oh I see. This is where the children come out, and in lieu of making good arguments, instead post childish remarks and call names so that someone calls you something back and then the thread gets closed which is what you wanted in the first place.

@iaresee There are very good reason for systemd even if I don't like it. Do you have any options when something gets added to Windows that you don't like? Nope. Also, you should know better than to call people names.

bchampig said:
I don't care which OS is technically superior. I DO care about having the applications I need to be productive without having to think about the OS. BETTER means it gets the job done period with no hoops to jump through. That means rock solid drivers (or better yet no additional drivers), extremely low latency audio performance in my DAW with no glitches, feature rich applications that handle Audio/MIDI, support for many common audio and midi interfaces, support for common plugins like Superior Drummer, etc.
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You're entitled to your opinion on what's best, but technically you mean it's more convenient. I don't disagree with you there, I just know that that line of thinking is what's keeping progress from happening on Linux where it will be far more convenient for you in the future. It's like shooting yourself in the foot.
bchampig said:
Is your recommendation to run Linux and just hope and dream the SW vendors embrace it and eventually support it? Maybe form a formal church of Linux so that the large audio SW companies will take us seriously? What if I want to make music in the meantime?

No thanks, I'll stick to what works today.
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On SW vendors embracing Linux: It's going to happen whether I dream for it or not. With every jab of an update from Windows/macOS more people run towards the obvious superior alternative. Competition is the ultimate arbiter of what succeeds. As soon as Helix, Neural, Fractal, etc., are the first to support a new feature (like Linux support) that drives a more customers to it, the rest will follow whether you like it or not.
 
mr_fender said:
Tech preferences are like religion.

Some folks are perfectly content in their choices and beliefs.

Others see it as their duty to convert and reform everyone else.

The world would be a lot simpler and calmer place if everyone would just do whatever works for them and leave everyone else the hell alone.
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It's a good point. What would drive someone to complain about logical arguments, without logical arguments and then claim the other side are fanatics unless they themselves are fanatics?
 
fuzzydude said:
That's quite a rebrand. So now you want to make it seem like you're just being fair? How quaint.
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I've never said any OS was unarguably superior at everything. Just that macOS and Linux can't compete with Windows for gaming.

In fact, the only person who's said one OS is good at everything is (checks notes): you.

fuzzydude said:
Linux is great at everything
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I was clear that I believe in the right tool, for the right job here.

By the way...

Arguing with a Linux zealot is like trying to close Vim.

You know there must be a way out, but everything you try just makes things worse.
 
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