Windows 11

vangrieg said:
Windows 11 is fine, certainly way better than Mac OS.

Control Panel or not, who cares. Same with the store and copilot, none of these hurt.

So much fuss about nothing every time a new windows version is released, with infinite whining and end-of-the-world yelling. Groundhog Day lasting freaking decades.
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I’m curious about what makes Win 11 better than Mac OS? I haven’t used Win 11 personally for music related purposes but my experience with Win 10 and earlier have been quite the opposite. I have no loyalty to any company so I only judge based on what stays out of my way the most when I try to create music.
 
bchampig said:
I’m curious about what makes Win 11 better than Mac OS?
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I’ve been using Mac OS almost exclusively for the last 3 years or so, with Windows running in Parallels for some stuff that doesn’t exist for Macs. Before that I was always switching back and forth or using both. So I’m comfortable with both systems. Now my preference for Macs is because there’s no matching alternative to Apple Silicon. But I do prefer Windows in general. There are a number of reasons for that, some are:

  • better window and multimonitor management, UI scaling for different resolutions
  • it’s more stable. On Mac OS, every once in a while I get “Out of application memory” messages and need to force quit stuff. I don’t even remember when that was on Windows last time
  • I don’t like Apple design language in general
  • a lot of computer management functions on Mac OS are a pain in the butt. Uninstalling applications is one of those things. You need third party utilities for a lot of stuff that should be built in
  • some audio related functions are stupidly limited. Like, I can’t choose stereo pairs as default audio device in the OS with multioutput interfaces, there’s no mixer etc
  • updates break software and hardware compatibility left and right

I’m sure there are other things as well but that’s what comes to mind right now.
 
vangrieg said:
I’ve been using Mac OS almost exclusively for the last 3 years or so, with Windows running in Parallels for some stuff that doesn’t exist for Macs. Before that I was always switching back and forth or using both. So I’m comfortable with both systems. Now my preference for Macs is because there’s no matching alternative to Apple Silicon. But I do prefer Windows in general. There are a number of reasons for that, some are:

  • better window and multimonitor management, UI scaling for different resolutions
  • it’s more stable. On Mac OS, every once in a while I get “Out of application memory” messages and need to force quit stuff. I don’t even remember when that was on Windows last time
  • I don’t like Apple design language in general
  • a lot of computer management functions on Mac OS are a pain in the butt. Uninstalling applications is one of those things. You need third party utilities for a lot of stuff that should be built in
  • some audio related functions are stupidly limited. Like, I can’t choose stereo pairs as default audio device in the OS with multioutput interfaces, there’s no mixer etc
  • updates break software and hardware compatibility left and right

I’m sure there are other things as well but that’s what comes to mind right now.
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Thanks for elaborating. My bad experiences with Windows have been:
-Issues with multi client audio….listening to YouTube audio while triggering a drum plugin within my DAW for example. Just always works on MacOS with various audio interfaces with better latencies.

-quicker startup into my DAW without background processes causing audio glitches on MacOS. My Macs are practically instant on and ready to record on power up.

-Windows always seemed to be trying to sell me something through ads and it was difficult to turn off the nagging.

-MacOS has been more stable for me in general. I can keep it running for week after week without performance degradation or crashing unlike my Windows experiences.

At the end of the day, I can make music on either system but I have less obstacles and frustration on Mac. Thanks for sharing your experiences though.
 
bchampig said:
Issues with multi client audio….listening to YouTube audio while triggering a drum plugin within my DAW for example
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Probably depends on your audio interface. I only read about these issues but never had them myself. I do get disappearing system audio on Mac OS sometimes.


bchampig said:
Windows always seemed to be trying to sell me something through ads and it was difficult to turn off the nagging.
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I don’t even understand which ads everyone is talking about, to be honest. Maybe because I always used Pro versions?
 
vangrieg said:
Probably depends on your audio interface. I only read about these issues but never had them myself. I do get disappearing system audio on Mac OS sometimes.



I don’t even understand which ads everyone is talking about, to be honest. Maybe because I always used Pro versions?
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I’ve used Pro also and saw app icons I never installed show up in start menu, Xbox crap, and Office 365 nags. Maybe it’s PC vendor dependent I don’t know, but it’s very annoying. My bigger issues have been audio driver related and general stability with audio and MIDI apps. USB audio drivers have been the worst for me. I use thunderbolt on Mac and it has been flawless at extremely low buffer sizes. I need this to trigger Superior Drummer from my ekit,
 
bchampig said:
I’ve used Pro also and saw app icons I never installed show up in start menu, Xbox crap, and Office 365 nags.
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Is that what you call ads? What about iCloud stuff? Or the useless idiotic “office” apps from Apple like “Numbers”? Or Safari? Apple Music? Those are not even just icons, all this bloatware is preinstalled, and I don’t think you can get rid of it.
 
bchampig said:
USB audio drivers
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So one of my Macs crashes on boot because it doesn’t like one of my audio interfaces. Another one warns me about another interface’s software during boot, saying it is outdated and won’t be supported by some future version of Mac OS. My DSLR webcam software started working unreliably after one of the OS updates. All of these devices work fine on Windows.

I’ve certainly had more issues dealing with hardware on Macs.
 
vangrieg said:
Is that what you call ads? What about iCloud stuff? Or the useless idiotic “office” apps from Apple like “Numbers”? Or Safari? Apple Music? Those are not even just icons, all this bloatware is preinstalled, and I don’t think you can get rid of it.
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Yes I consider those ads. Every OS has builtin in apps that we are free to ignore. The builtin stuff is already paid for at least.
 
bchampig said:
Yes I consider those ads. Every OS has builtin in apps that we are free to ignore. The builtin stuff is already paid for at least.
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I would certainly prefer if Numbers and such stuff I have zero need for did not occupy precious SSD space here.

Unneeded icons are easier to ignore than gigabytes of wasted storage.

Also, Apple Music and iCloud constantly nag me to start paying for them.
 
vangrieg said:
Oh, and there’s also “Apple Intelligence”! How could I forget this gem 😂
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Almost as awesome as Copilot!
vangrieg said:
I would certainly prefer if Numbers and such stuff I have zero need for did not occupy precious SSD space here.

Unneeded icons are easier to ignore than gigabytes of wasted storage.

Also, Apple Music and iCloud constantly nag me to start paying for them.
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Base install of Mac OS is around 16GB. Windows is around 64GB.
 
bchampig said:
Almost as awesome as Copilot!

Base install of Mac OS is around 16GB. Windows is around 64GB.
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No it’s not as awesome as copilot

Also I doubt that all the stuff Apple installs only takes 16GB, but even if it does, storage on Apple computers is much more expensive. Plus Mac OS doesn’t have an uninstallation mechanism, so applications leave megatons of garbage, and space fills very quickly.

But maybe enough of this for now :)

This is a Windows bashing thread, not Mac OS bashing, I’m going way off topic here. :)
 
vangrieg said:
Most of this stuff is quite benign though. Cell operators need to know how people are moving to plan their network better. Microsoft needs telemetry data to understand how their systems perform in real life. And so on.

The less benign usage is to try to sell stuff to you. To that I shrug - whatever.

The definitely bad part is when data is sold to folks with much worse intentions or to do actual surveillance. But this is going into the territory of politics. Surveillance cameras can prevent crime or to prosecute and harass innocent people (or political opponents). This is the case with any technology, but the solution isn’t in the realm of technology.

And without any of this stuff, there are a lot of intrusive practices which I’d worry about more than what windows may have. One of our clients in the US demands background checks on not just their employees but also contractors, they wanted me to sign an agreement to let them dig into my life which kind a shocked me a bit. Such intrusion would be illegal in most countries, it was also illegal in the country where I was at the time, so they got nothing. But that’s were I’d focus my concerns, not Windows.
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Having read your posts over the years, I can’t avoid the conclusion that nothing is benign in your world except Big Data. :p

Yes, there are legitimate uses for Big Data. And there are other uses. And there re uses for the data collected that don’t involve Big Data at all.

I used to work for a cell phone service provider. I learned through observation that one bored tech with sufficient rights can have a field day with what he has access to.
 
Rex said:
I learned through observation that one bored tech with sufficient rights can have a field day with what he has access to.
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Oh that’s true of course. But the probability of you getting into real trouble because of this kind of abuse (or actually a crime) is considerably lower than because of many other more customary things not involving technology.

Plus, whatever a cell company technician (or a bank clerk) knows about you has nothing to do with Windows 11.


Rex said:
Having read your posts over the years, I can’t avoid the conclusion that nothing is benign in your world except Big Data. :p
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😂

That would be a wrong conclusion based on a very biased data sample :) Kind of like what Facebook thinks about me. 😜

But I truly think that the information Microsoft or Apple collect about me is not that big of a concern, at least now and in the foreseeable future. There are worse actors out there who can, will do, and have done damage to me.
 
TheRedDevil said:
Gaming with Linux is faster than Windows

There is no need for Windows anymore for play Games (SteamOS)
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Linux game compatibility is still poor. Some randos hot take on youtube doesn't change the fact that only a small fraction of games out there actually work on Linux. Your narrative sucks and you should just give it up now.
 
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JiveTurkey said:
I'm not watching any video with that face in the thumbnail.
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He's literally the guy that created the meme:


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iaresee said:
Linux game compatibility is still poor. Some randos hot take on youtube doesn't change the fact that only a small fraction of games out there actually work on Linux. Your narrative sucks and you should just give it up now.
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Almost every Steam game, excepted those with specific anti cheat systems, work flawlessly on Linux, I wouldn't really call that poor compatibility.
 
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