Windows 11

@FractalAudio You said in the beginning you updated and your profile got hosed, then you created a new one and copied stuff over, IIRC?

As Al implied, upgrading is a recipe for disaster. No matter what problems I currently have, the stuff you describe is totally fishy and my install doesn't exhibit such behaviour.

Better nuke from orbit and do a clean install. Should save you time and headaches.
 
This thread makes me want to try Axe Edit on Ubuntu with WINE. I've been finding increasingly more annoying problems with Win 11.

One annoyance is how they try to force you into an online setup. You have to access cmd during the first boot setup to perform an offline setup and not link accounts to your computer. And then you are oddly limited in certain regards. Another annoyance is how difficult it can be to access all the necessary settings you want to configure to get a low DPC latency for recording audio with real time monitoring of VSTs.
 
I do have a parallel Linux Mint partition on my drive, where I tried to run some Fractal applications with Wine and it didn’t work from scratch. As some of the previous posts mentioned there’s more work involved to get things running. CrossOver might be en enhancement to Wine https://www.codeweavers.com/

Since most of the professional codebases are proprietary except for some of the open source software, the AI database seems to likely leverage the public sources e.g. GitHub repositories with code of all kinds, including inferior ones.

I still like to figure out things and code on my own. With Co-Pilot and ChatGPT I still get some buggy code often with non-existing function calls. The only thing I do like is some of the structure the AI provides and can serve as a useful template for my own work.
 
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Who the heck is writing the code over there? This is BASIC OS functionality and it feels like it was written by someone who just graduated from ITT Technical Institute.
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Millennials and Zoomers, which also explains the color schemes. Ever walked into a flipped house?

So many people coming out of CS programs that only know how to work with frameworks, and zero low level code. I only base this on job interviews I've had to sit in on. Or vibe coders, who only know how to use AI tools to produce anything. We're probably doomed.
 
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What a steaming pile of excrement.

Seriously? After all these years this is what you come up with?

1. It's an ugly OS. White on light gray on just slightly darker gray. Or you can change the mode to dark and then it's black on black on black. But only for some things. Other windows remain gray on gray on gray. Inconsistency seems to be the one common theme in the OS.

2. Window borders are one pixel wide. So when you have windows on top of each other all this white and gray makes it hard to see where one window ends and another begins.

3. Scroll bars. Again, inconsistency rules here. In some windows the scroll bars disappear. You can turn that "feature" off but then the actual bar you drag turns to a thin line unless you hover over it. In other windows the scroll bar doesn't disappear and the bar doesn't change to a thin line.

4. Did I mention inconsistency? There's a settings "Applet" and also a Control Panel. They use completely different UI language. Some of the things in one aren't in the other but some things are common between the two. WTF is that? Oh, and in Control Panel it has an item "Backup and Restore (Windows 7)". WTF is that?!!! This is an upgrade from a clean install of Windows 10.

5. Lazy programming. I wanted to connect to our corporate server via the VPN. A window popped up asking for user name and password. Near the bottom it said something like "The credentials you have entered are incorrect". Not surprising since I haven't entered any yet. So I enter my user name and password, which are correct, and the message doesn't go away. I hit enter and the dialog box closes and I'm granted access.


The whole thing feels like it's just a money grab. I can't see a single advantage over Windows 10 (which was nearly as bad). I'm sure they'd tell me there's more "security" and "ease of use" but I don't see why that stuff couldn't have been added to Windows 10. The core OS under the goofy UI is the same.

The Start menu and Taskbar have been changed yet again and still don't feel like there's any logic to them. Screams "designed by committee".

But we get "Widgets" which are things that maybe some people use.
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It started downhill with windows 8 because they tried to convert our pc to a touchscreen device. It didn't take off and they never really returned to a streamlined mouse controlled interface.

I have programs that don't have the appropriate clicky spots visible unless autohide is checked on the taskbar, and then there are others that don't work properly unless autohide is turned off. I like the task/menu? bar docked on the top of my screen and that doesn't happen now. Also I lost dozens of important emails when windows mail was shut down and we were forced to the hacked outlook version we have now. It never works properly plus I bought office and another email software that was supposed to let you get access to the windows mail emails... nothing works and I've tried everything. There are no clear answers on MS website either... but yes I agree 100%... it sucks and has many issues that should have been fixed years ago.
 
AlGrenadine said:
Did you install from scratch or update from win10?
I've always experienced problems when upgrading windows...
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+1000. This is a big one. Sometimes you get lucky and in place upgrades go ok. In my experience, most of the time they don't. It can be a huge pain in the ass to have to reinstall and re-activate a bunch of software, but I'd wager Cliff would have a lot less issues with a clean install of 11.

Years back we did a ton of in place upgrades to Windows 10 at work in a big push to get everyone off of Windows 7 after it went EOL. By the time it was all said and done, I think we ended up replacing or re-imaging about 75% to 80% of those machines to solve weird issues after the upgrade. Lots of profile related weirdness, half migrated settings, permissions issues, etc. We learned our lesson and chose to only upgrade folks from 10 to 11 when it was time to replace their machines. SO many less issues from the clean imaged machines.
 
mr_fender said:
+1000. This is a big one. Sometimes you get lucky and in place upgrades go ok. In my experience, most of the time they don't. It can be a huge pain in the ass to have to reinstall and re-activate a bunch of software, but I'd wager Cliff would have a lot less issues with a clean install of 11.

Years back we did a ton of in place upgrades to Windows 10 at work in a big push to get everyone off of Windows 7 after it went EOL. By the time it was all said and done, I think we ended up replacing or re-imaging about 75% to 80% of those machines to solve weird issues after the upgrade. Lots of profile related weirdness, half migrated settings, permissions issues, etc. We learned our lesson and chose to only upgrade folks from 10 to 11 when it was time to replace their machines. SO many less issues from the clean imaged machines.
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Always do a scratch install of Windows operating systems. Too much baggage otherwise. My music laptop is Windows 11 and working fine. Lenovo.

I do agree with the clunkiness of Windows 11. The right-click on an icon, and having to choose more options nearly every time is nucking futs!
Being a computer network professional, I have upgraded/installed a couple hundred windows 11 desktops and laptops in the past year or so. I still have a few clients that need to replace PCs - did 5 new laptops at one client this morning. I do a lot of workstations, but work with servers, virtualization, switches, routers and firewalls (Cisco and Meraki mostly), and M365 tenancies and such. Get me through 5 more years of this, and it’s just music for me!
 
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Hi everyone.
I upgraded to Windows 11 from W 10. I started with 95-98-2000 and W 7.
I have had W 11 for about 3 years and it worked really well. After 2 years my NvME SSD drive failed, I bought a new 1GB Kingston and everything worked. Then Windows started going crazy and showing bad disk in all sectors.
I fixed it on another computer and the disk was fine there. I installed a new W 11, I have a purchased license.
It's a small disaster, especially the aforementioned taskbar and pinning the My Computer icon to the taskbar.
I read on the internet that the TPM module also causes this, due to locked players who logged in with other accounts.
I don't play games.
I can't flash the BIOS to a newer one right now because it asks for BitLocker and I'm afraid to do it.
If your disk dies, try it on another computer. This happened to me and the disk is fine.
My W 11 is currently restarting itself after a recent computer update :angry:
I work on 3 monitors and I like the new feature of splitting one screen into multiple screens. But the settings and inoperability, the deletion of settings options, the number of unnecessary features that I don't even know what they are for, sometimes drive me to despair. Windows 11 is very unintuitive.
It helped me to make Win 10-11 more stable by disabling the High Definition Audio Controller in Device Manager -System Devices and disabling it in the BIOS as the Audio Controller sound card.
I don't use an internal sound card, it struggles with external cards, especially HDMI audio transmission.
I have Presonus, Fractal and RME.
Win 11 it's like a half-familiar friend...
It knows everything about you and you nothing about it.
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Hmm, I just posted and Windows 11 crashed.
The media is reporting a huge outage.
We, the users, then don't know if it's our fault, Microsoft's or a third party's fault.
 
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For those with Stockholm syndrome, like me, who needed a fresh install of W11, I found out (from Tomshardware IIRC) that you can buy legit licenses on the cheap from resellers. I used Kingwin to get W11 pro for like $15. There was no way I was going to pay full retail price.
Obligatory disclaimer: I have no affiliation, just a happy customer.
 
In the EU it is called a secondary license and I think it was ordered by the EU court. The reason was that if someone can legally sell used cars why can't they also sell used Wins? I have 5 of them too and they have worked so far, the only problems are with Win 11 and their mandatory Microsoft account.
So if they have an outage we won't log in. At least that's what I think and it has happened to me now and it has been bothering me for a while, I attribute it to the hardware.
I currently have Win 11 but my Start menu and search box are not working.
 
mirostrat54 said:
In the EU it is called a secondary license and I think it was ordered by the EU court. The reason was that if someone can legally sell used cars why can't they also sell used Wins? I have 5 of them too and they have worked so far, the only problems are with Win 11 and their mandatory Microsoft account.
So if they have an outage we won't log in. At least that's what I think and it has happened to me now and it has been bothering me for a while, I attribute it to the hardware.
I currently have Win 11 but my Start menu and search box are not working.
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You CAN install without the microsoft account, but it takes a few additional steps and is easier with Pro (reference from Ars). That's what I did. No way I'll tie my system to their account.
 
May I jump in this thread just for a moment and ask for some basic advice.
What exactly is the downside and pitfalls of staying on windows 10.
I use my laptop for only Axe Edit and YouTube for playing along to backing tracks, so I do need access to the internet but I don’t use it for email or downloading dubious files.
I don’t really want to spend out on a new laptop as it only gets used for the previously mentioned activities.
Do I really need to look at a virus checker if this is all I use it for?

I have done some research but couldn’t really get an answer in “layman’s terms”.

I’m not particularly confident as regards the inner workings of computers but I do have some basic knowledge.
Any advice will be much appreciated.
 
Whistler said:
May I jump in this thread just for a moment and ask for some basic advice.
What exactly is the downside and pitfalls of staying on windows 10.
I use my laptop for only Axe Edit and YouTube for playing along to backing tracks, so I do need access to the internet but I don’t use it for email or downloading dubious files.
I don’t really want to spend out on a new laptop as it only gets used for the previously mentioned activities.
Do I really need to look at a virus checker if this is all I use it for?

I have done some research but couldn’t really get an answer in “layman’s terms”.

I’m not particularly confident as regards the inner workings of computers but I do have some basic knowledge.
Any advice will be much appreciated.
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There are new vulnerabilities that need to get patched. When Microsoft says they're ending support for Windows 10 it means they will no longer be patching it. Your OS will work fine, but if some hacker in the future finds a chink in the armor, Microsoft won't fix it and you'll be at risk. For the average user this is a can you kick down the road for a while but for commercial users, this is a business risk.
 
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Whistler said:
May I jump in this thread just for a moment and ask for some basic advice.
What exactly is the downside and pitfalls of staying on windows 10.
I use my laptop for only Axe Edit and YouTube for playing along to backing tracks, so I do need access to the internet but I don’t use it for email or downloading dubious files.
I don’t really want to spend out on a new laptop as it only gets used for the previously mentioned activities.
Do I really need to look at a virus checker if this is all I use it for?

I have done some research but couldn’t really get an answer in “layman’s terms”.

I’m not particularly confident as regards the inner workings of computers but I do have some basic knowledge.
Any advice will be much appreciated.
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Paperjace said what I was going to say. As for the virus checker, Windows Defender, which comes with Windows 10, is more than sufficient in catching any viruses. You don't need anything else. (Maybe MalwareBytes but meh)
 
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