FM3 Firmware Version 10.0 public beta

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On the new version 10 beta, my main reverb sound got really weird. I was using Rich Hall I believe, but now it's called Mechanic's Hall. Way too much pre-delay after the upgrade. Bringing the pre-delay parameter down to 48-100ms seemed to make it more like it was before the upgrade. I'm thinking I may have to pull the mix back a bit too. On the plus side it's using a ton less CPU. I was able to upgrade the quality to "ultra-high" and still have CPU to spare!

-Aaron
 
DJD100 said:
Watch out editing the Per Preset FC Definitions and Over-Rides via the latest editor and FW, as I locked my OG FM3 up and corrupted it's system+gb+fc.syx file doing so (all FC's kaputt after reboots, FC colors lost etc).

I have reverted to the previous firmware and restored the saved system+gb+fc.syx file, so all good here again.

Attached are a couple of presets and a system+gb+fc.syx file. The presets use tube/analog gear in the FX Loop, so bypass that to test etc. If the Tim.Twin preset is the version with the large spring it will mute due to CPU on the latest FW, so switch to the Medium Spring (this might already be done?).

Note these presets are very basic, i.e. one layout and view only, plus and external two button switch, that's all. Also note all was fine before I edited some Pre Preset switches, so if you're not changing any of that stuff maybe ok?

Good luck...
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OK, back on 10b without attempting to edit Per Preset FC Definitions and Over-Rides via the latest editor, and all is fine so far.
 
I don't get the "obsolete" thing. Just yesterday, my FM3 was updated with improved amp modeling and a few dozen other enhancements. In other words, they were able to port over 95% of the improvements that they gave to their high-dollar modelers. Gonna take more evidence than that for me to consider the FM3 obsolete. :)
 
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Well, after reading the long discussion with @SpudMan, I have to say that I was briefly disappointed yesterday with my old "normal" FM3 after updating to 10 Beta, as all my presets were experiencing CPU overflow.

I must add that my presets were already very maxed out under firmware 9. But I quickly realized that it was mainly the plate reverb and the compressors that were causing the issue. It's child's play to optimize the reverb for lower CPU consumption using the "Dispersion" parameter (perhaps this parameter shouldn't be set to 100% by default) and to swap out the new compressor algorithms for more economical ones.

Furthermore, since gapless switching, it is no longer a limitation to create a preset with a few blocks but with algorithms set to a very high quality level if, for example, you want a plate reverb that sounds as "expensive" as possible for a section of a song.

Overall, some of my presets now even require a few percent less processing power and sound better than ever before, It's incredible
- so why all the fuss without simply seeing for myself what's possible! The FM3 is certainly not past its prime; it purrs like a young kitten with the new firmware!
 
Greg Ferguson said:
It sounds like you inadvertently reset the system to factory specs, because firmware by itself won’t do those things.

You can restore the system settings and layouts using the system+fc file created when you do a full backup.

You did do a full backup before installing the firmware, right?
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True... Although sometimes some number of people do seem to get certain global settings reverted.

This has been reported as long as I can remember going back to Axe Fx II.

Note that several people have reported Input Pad getting reset in this firmware. And possibly that's the only thing they noticed ;)

Also remember that FM3 has had issues with global settings getting reset on shut down due to corruption when the system is shut down too soon after certain operations and it's recommended to wait 30 seconds after those operations before a power off.
 
After updating, the reverb block's pre delay and mix knob seems to be off on most of my presets - i had to tweak them again, but I guess this is to be expected after such a huge changelog. The cpu gains are awesome overall. It might be just me, but I highly prefer the sound of old factory presets which used legacy IRs. I have reverted them back for my own use :) Cheers.
 
aflynt said:
On the new version 10 beta, my main reverb sound got really weird. I was using Rich Hall I believe, but now it's called Mechanic's Hall. Way too much pre-delay after the upgrade. Bringing the pre-delay parameter down to 48-100ms seemed to make it more like it was before the upgrade. I'm thinking I may have to pull the mix back a bit too. On the plus side it's using a ton less CPU. I was able to upgrade the quality to "ultra-high" and still have CPU to spare!

-Aaron
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Did you dial down your room levels in the cab block? It’s sounds a little like plate reverb and slap delay if you are using it at your old settings.
 
skolacki said:
Did you dial down your room levels in the cab block? It’s sounds a little like plate reverb and slap delay if you are using it at your old settings.
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Yes. Had to do that too, but that's and independent issue to what I'm hearing in the reverb block. The pre-delay on the reverb block was maxed out post upgrade.

-Aaron
 
aflynt said:
Yes. Had to do that too, but that's and independent issue to what I'm hearing in the reverb block. The pre-delay on the reverb block was maxed out post upgrade.

-Aaron
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The reverbs still sound good but it’s true that they were better prior to the upgrade since we had to downgrade the quality. The plates sound more ‘platey’ lol. A little more metallic sounding, not as smooth. Still nice though. I use more reverb at home than I do with the band so it’s not a big issue. It’s the reality of owning the bottom tier unit. I might go for the FM9 during the next holiday sale and keep my FM3 for backup.
 
unix-guy said:
Reload the previous firmware.

Reload the previous DynaCabs if prompted.

As long as you haven't saved any presets under the new firmware, that's all there is to do.
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I made a major backup of my FW9.0 version, so to be able to go back as is. Well noted for the dynacabs that were my maun concern.
 
Apologies for having misread, misunderstood, and overreacted to the original statement in the first post on this thread.

I was wrong in thinking it meant the FM# non-turbo couldn't properly run user created presets. I now understand it meant that the new FW required tweaks by Fractal to work with non-turbo, and thus implying user created presets might require tweaking.

I just backed up my existing FW (beta 9.3) and completed loading the new FW 10, updating Edit, and loading the new presets. So far the factory presets are doing OK. I will start testing the user created ones. Either way, I apologize for the overreaction. I am just always worried about products that are late in their release life cycle as my budget is limited and I want to get as many good years as I can out of a new product purchase. Seems like there is lots of life left in my non-turbo FM3 after all. Sorry.
 
I didn’t see this in the release notes… But I now see the gold plate reverb! Is this the same that’s in the big units? I thought that we weren’t getting this…
 
Fidgit85 said:
I didn’t see this in the release notes… But I now see the gold plate reverb! Is this the same that’s in the big units? I thought that we weren’t getting this…
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Yes there are a bunch of them in there that were not available before
Gold plate , springs , pitch verbs
Gold plate does use a lot of CPU so lower the dispersion as it defaults t 100%
 
SpudMan said:
Apologies for having misread, misunderstood, and overreacted to the original statement in the first post on this thread.

I was wrong in thinking it meant the FM# non-turbo couldn't properly run user created presets. I now understand it meant that the new FW required tweaks by Fractal to work with non-turbo, and thus implying user created presets might require tweaking.

I just backed up my existing FW (beta 9.3) and completed loading the new FW 10, updating Edit, and loading the new presets. So far the factory presets are doing OK. I will start testing the user created ones. Either way, I apologize for the overreaction. I am just always worried about products that are late in their release life cycle as my budget is limited and I want to get as many good years as I can out of a new product purchase. Seems like there is lots of life left in my non-turbo FM3 after all. Sorry.
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Spoken like a gentleman.
 
Admin M@ said:
THANK YOU. One of the main reasons for this massive effort was to help people grow into DynaCabs by way of examples. I'm openly now more confident than ever that Cliff really created something best-in-class with that technology.
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Having the DynaCabs on the new presets is awesome.

Being able to save to library, load to my gig presets, and then A/B against what I use for Legacy is a tremendous help in hearing the tonal differences. Great way to better understand and start using DynaCabs for all my presets.
 
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