Implemented A Klon-type Drive block

Corinthian said:
Thanks for your explanation.

That individual is the one I referred to and his behaviour was appalling. It's unfortunate that everyone else ends up missing out if that is indeed the reason, but it's not hard to understand.
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OH THAT DUDE... took me a bit of reading in one of the other linked threads, but I think I remember him now. I could've sworn I'd added that guy to my ignore list, but it's empty.
 
I gotta be honest here, the RR days when he was causing trouble were very entertaining. I realize that this forum is not the place for such shenanigans. When he was making all those videos calling out Cliff and members, it was a lot of fun to watch him basically short circuit.

IMO - Should have invited him back to wag the dog and keep our attention from the needless FM3 delay drama.

On topic- I’d love a klon. I use one in my fx loop sometimes.
 
MicroMort said:
I gotta be honest here, the RR days when he was causing trouble were very entertaining. I realize that this forum is not the place for such shenanigans. When he was making all those videos calling out Cliff and members, it was a lot of fun to watch him basically short circuit.

IMO - Should have invited him back to wag the dog and keep our attention from the needless FM3 delay drama.

On topic- I’d love a klon. I use one in my fx loop sometimes.
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I think it went as far as death threats. Not sure how i'd react to that personally.
 
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dpeterson said:
I think it went as far a death threats. Not sure how i'd react to that personally.
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Indeed, death threats, the FBI, and Cliff stepping away from being an active forum contributor for a while.....

I’d personally rather be able to interact with the designer than be “entertained” by mental illness.....
 
so years ago M@ suggested using the fet boost, with the clip type set to silicon, the high cut at around 6.5khz and mid eq set to +1. with drive at 6 and level at 7, it makes for a very nice boost. you can use the low cut to tidy up the bottom end as well.
i'd be interested to see the tone match eq curve for the centura
 
simeon said:
so years ago M@ suggested using the fet boost, with the clip type set to silicon, the high cut at around 6.5khz and mid eq set to +1. with drive at 6 and level at 7, it makes for a very nice boost. you can use the low cut to tidy up the bottom end as well.
i'd be interested to see the tone match eq curve for the centura
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That's still one of my go to boost settings, lovely indeed.

I matched the boost mode on my Anarchy Audio Workhorse, another klone, using a GEQ. Block is here if anyone wants to try.
 

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i'd be interested to see the tone match eq curve for the centura
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I had to capture this again so it might not be exactly the same as the IR I posted earlier but it'll be very close.

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I remember the lower frequency rolloff being steeper previously but I can't replicate that. Regardless, it's a pretty unexciting curve. This again is at unity gain with little to no overdrive. Increasing the output on the Centura if anything only flattens the curve.

Introducing some gain does change the curve though. This is with the gain at around 3 o'clock (so more than most people would use):

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IIRC the gain pot as well as driving the circuit more, also blends in/out the clean signal. So what we see here may be said to be closer to the 'natural' tone of the Klon, though as I mentioned it's at settings few people would use.

I still think it's the buffer that makes the Klon what it is, and we can't model that so that might be the reason for its absence (that said, the Helix has one that is apparently very popular so maybe I'm wrong). But try the IR I attached previously. It sounds nice after a FET boost with a Strat and a clean amp.
 
interesting. the high end roll off seems to start at about 3kHz and the centre of the mid hump is at about 350Hz (i overlaid a log frequency graph, so i could find out fairly accurately)

not sure what the mid boost amount would be...if the graph i overlaid is at the same scale, then it would be 15db...which is pretty hefty!

i think i'll try making a silicon fet boost with this curve in the graphic and see how it sounds

edit: i see now that it's an unrealistic setting!
 
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actually sounds pretty great in front of a mid gain plexi for a nice "push"

if you up the level to about 8, it's cool for lead, too

i was more conservative with the eq, so hopefully this is more of a realistic representaion

does it sound like a centura? does it sound like a klon? probably not, but i don't care


EDIT: i've left a modifier attached to bypass....you'll need to remove it. sorry! and you'll need to go to channel C
 

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simeon said:
actually sounds pretty great in front of a mid gain plexi for a nice "push"

if you up the level to about 8, it's cool for lead, too

i was more conservative with the eq, so hopefully this is more of a realistic representaion

does it sound like a centura? does it sound like a klon? probably not, but i don't care
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Which curve did you follow?
 
simeon said:
actually sounds pretty great in front of a mid gain plexi for a nice "push"

if you up the level to about 8, it's cool for lead, too

i was more conservative with the eq, so hopefully this is more of a realistic representaion

does it sound like a centura? does it sound like a klon? probably not, but i don't care
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In which Block does this go? My EQ blocks don't recognize it.
 
it's a drive block

i followed the second curve, but reduced the boost/cut. you can see it, if you look!
 
simeon said:
it's a drive block

i followed the second curve, but reduced the boost/cut. you can see it, if you look!
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I'm not by my unit now so I can’t look.

Would a capture of the Centura with the gain somewhere between the two curves above be useful to people? With the lower gain version at least I’ve found the IR sounds better than replicating it with an EQ.
 
huh?

it's not the timothy, it's a fet boost - channel C. i think i left a modifier attached to bypass. remove it.
 
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Corinthian said:
I had to capture this again so it might not be exactly the same as the IR I posted earlier but it'll be very close.

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I remember the lower frequency rolloff being steeper previously but I can't replicate that. Regardless, it's a pretty unexciting curve. This again is at unity gain with little to no overdrive. Increasing the output on the Centura if anything only flattens the curve.

Introducing some gain does change the curve though. This is with the gain at around 3 o'clock (so more than most people would use):

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IIRC the gain pot as well as driving the circuit more, also blends in/out the clean signal. So what we see here may be said to be closer to the 'natural' tone of the Klon, though as I mentioned it's at settings few people would use.

I still think it's the buffer that makes the Klon what it is, and we can't model that so that might be the reason for its absence (that said, the Helix has one that is apparently very popular so maybe I'm wrong). But try the IR I attached previously. It sounds nice after a FET boost with a Strat and a clean amp.
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You're right on your memory - the Klon gain isn't, I think it's largely a fixed gain - and actually you're blending in the drive to the clean, interesting approach
 
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