Double tracking-effect on live guitar?

I got one last week. Plugged in stereo in my AX8. Sounds great. Much better than anything I got just trying to add delay to one side of a stereo signal.
Where do you run it in the signal chain? Post AMP, pre CAB?

Can you make a mono recording of the pedal with the effected signal panned hard left, dry signal panned hard right for me? I want to isolate what it's doing so I can replicate it better with built-in blocks for people in this thread.
 
Where do you run it in the signal chain? Post AMP, pre CAB?

Can you make a mono recording of the pedal with the effected signal panned hard left, dry signal panned hard right for me? I want to isolate what it's doing so I can replicate it better with built-in blocks for people in this thread.
I run it between the amp and the cab blocks.
 
Yeah, it does sound good, and I think it is novel. It's not like any other chorus/detune/ADT effect for guitar I've heard before. It really is closer to the double-tracked sound (in stereo).

This is how I used it: in the FX loop of the Axe; using a preset with two amps and cabs, placing the FX loop block after them and before all other blocks. It probably can also be at the end of the chain, it just needs to be (I think) after the two amps and cabs. It may work after one amp and cab, if you find a way to turn a mono signal to stereo before entering the FX loop. (not sure how to do that in the Axe)

Yeah, using the Mimiq, I'm probably going to need a rack switcher down the road as well.


Is it possible to use the Input REAR and make this work? I have previously ran a BASS and GUITAR through this input panning L signal for GUITAR and R signal for BASS etc. but for the life of me I can't get the MIMIQ to work like this. Theoretically this should work no?
 
Yeah, it does sound good, and I think it is novel. It's not like any other chorus/detune/ADT effect for guitar I've heard before. It really is closer to the double-tracked sound (in stereo).

This is how I used it: in the FX loop of the Axe; using a preset with two amps and cabs, placing the FX loop block after them and before all other blocks. It probably can also be at the end of the chain, it just needs to be (I think) after the two amps and cabs. It may work after one amp and cab, if you find a way to turn a mono signal to stereo before entering the FX loop. (not sure how to do that in the Axe)

Yeah, using the Mimiq, I'm probably going to need a rack switcher down the road as well.


SoO...I discovered how to use the MIMIQ effectively w/o needing the FX Loop on the axe-fx.

-Set your Axe-FX INPUT 1 to stereo and OUTPUT 1 to stereo
-Set Input to Rear
-Send MIMIQ Mono out to L input 1 on Axe-rear
-Send MIMIQ Stereo out to R Input 1 on Axe-Rear
-Run parallel chains (two amps, two cabs) Pan each chain opposite each other 100% in the CAB & AMP Block (Each Chain will represent either L signal or R signal
-Make sure each chain's AMP & CAB are set to appropriate input (Either L or R but do NOT set to STEREO or SUM L+R)
-Chains can go back in series after the cab block so you can add post FX easily to affect each signal simultaneously

SOUNDS AWESOME. just...MASSIVE. I even went as far as putting an FX Loop block in parallel, (signal enters before CAB blocks) this signal goes to my Matrix GT1000FX which powers my Orange 2X12 PPC and Orange 4X12 PPC...in stereo...so the MIMIQ pedal now double tracks my cabs as a backline along with the FOH. MIMIQ pedal sounds best in mode 1, IMO, but mode 2, 3 definitely offer some interesting and equally pleasant sounds as well, its all based on preference.

FYI, the use of two amps and two cabs does bog down CPU, limiting the amount of other blocks you can have. I run a Walrus compressor, & Walrus drive pedal(s) into the MIMIQ in front of the Axe-Fx. The pedals are basically always on so no tap dancing needed really, maybe some here and there, but it saves me a TON of CPU... and IMHO these pedals sounds better. Im curious to see if perhaps a Stereo Ultra Res CAB could be used instead of needing two CABs, but I don't think its possible.

Cheers!
 
ActionJackson12: that's cool, but if you need to change scenes, etc, then you'd have to manually switch the pedal additionally, if you wanted the Mimiq off right?
 
A similar thread started in the Ax8 forum. I cooked a quick take on the Quad tracking effect. http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threa...-the-tc-electronic-mimiq.120021/#post-1428531

Here's the sound clip

1) Single tracked, no FX - just amp and cab,
2) Actual Quad tracked guitars, only Amp and Cab from Ax8,
3) Quad track simulation using a delay block and a pitch block.

Listening today on headphones, it seems that the balance has been thrown a bit to the left side, but that is easy to fix.

I use a delay block in front of the amp and a pitch block after the amp
 
I have explored many avenues with this, there are several ways to do it but only 1 is TRUE double tracked.
3) The only way to achieve a true double track live, is with another guitarist, backing tracks, or a looper. In this case ill explain how I utilize the built in looper on axe-fx. Hopefully you have the MFC foot controller. So, obviously you will have to play & record the part to loop it back first. I record/loop my riff then using one controller: IA switch, exp pedal, or scene controller. I assign the looper balance to go either full L or R and then do the opposite with my dry or main signal via volume block. Engage the controller and play along (same RIFF) with the loop (I personally like an exp pedal). Now your double tracking live. Note: Put looper at end of the chain and in parallel, mix 100, adjust level to liking. Also put the volume block at the end of the chain, in your main signal path. Might have to play with the L&R Pan parameters in Looper and volume as well. Sorry not in front of my axe-fx.

Lastly, I understand the need to have precision, and this way unfortunately doesn't allow for an immediate double track bc you have to record it first, but I think it's a cool effect live MONO to STEREO double tracked. Also, just FYI, you can do all of this with MIDI program changes if you have that capability. I've done it and it is PRECISE and effortless on your performance end. Otherwise you'll have a little bit of tap-dancing to do ;) if it were easy everyone would do it.

Let me know if you need more explanation, I can try and get you a patch screen shot or something.

Quick question: Is your drummer plying to click or monitoring the loop? If you loop something how do you then manage to get the entire band to follow the loop? I only ask because I'd love to loop but my drummer refuses to play to a click and also people find it hard to hear the loop if the monitoring situation is bad (i.e. pub gigs!). Any insights would be appreciated!
 
is it possible to assign an IA switch to the FX LOOP? I've only got the MIMIC to put in the FX loop and if this works, could turn it on and off this way?
 
ActionJackson12: that's cool, but if you need to change scenes, etc, then you'd have to manually switch the pedal additionally, if you wanted the Mimiq off right?
Funny you asked that, I went home yesterday and figured out a work around. What i did was set each amp to MUTE instead of THRU. I then assigned a scene controller to adjust the PAN/BALANCE on the amps and CABS. Scene 2 is my lead and I don't want it double tracked, so I turn off one of the amps in that scene, (specifically the amp receiving the R signal or Stereo from MIMIQ) and the scene controller is set to 50% for both AMP & CAB Balance parameters so I can get my signal back down the center, or MONO/STEREO without the double track effect. I am able to keep the MIMIQ pedal on all the time using this method, there is MAYBE a teeny-tiny little bit of variance in tone but nothing audibly noticeable, if even at all, & especially not noticeable to an audience. Try it out, it works great!
 
Quick question: Is your drummer plying to click or monitoring the loop? If you loop something how do you then manage to get the entire band to follow the loop? I only ask because I'd love to loop but my drummer refuses to play to a click and also people find it hard to hear the loop if the monitoring situation is bad (i.e. pub gigs!). Any insights would be appreciated!
I would highly recommend using either the LOOPER or Playing to a Click but Definitely not both. Your looper and Click will NEVER be on time UNLESS you are using program MIDI Changes to make your changes in DAW that is also providing the click, in that case your computer would make it perfect. You would be surprised how easy it is for your band to follow your loop. A helpful thing to consider is to utilize the enhancer block, so that your loop and live playing are not competing for stereo fields. Keep one in the center (LEAD-MONO) and one wide (Rhythm-STEREO).
 
is it possible to assign an IA switch to the FX LOOP? I've only got the MIMIC to put in the FX loop and if this works, could turn it on and off this way?
What is your need for the IA switch? Why not just turn the pedal itself on and off? I guess it depends if you have the pedal on your pedal board or in a rack backstage.
 
What is your need for the IA switch? Why not just turn the pedal itself on and off? I guess it depends if you have the pedal on your pedal board or in a rack backstage.

The pedal location is it. I only have the axe fx racked behind me... I could put the MIMIC on the pedalboard but would need to either 1. run extra cables to it or 2. change the preset configurations to something similar as what you described above with using the rear inputs L/R and dual amp/cabs.

I'd prefer not to do this as it is easier to insert an FX loop in my presets, keep the MIMIC with the axeFx and turn it on/off with an IA switch on the MFC. Hope that makes sense
 
The pedal location is it. I only have the axe fx racked behind me... I could put the MIMIC on the pedalboard but would need to either 1. run extra cables to it or 2. change the preset configurations to something similar as what you described above with using the rear inputs L/R and dual amp/cabs.

I'd prefer not to do this as it is easier to insert an FX loop in my presets, keep the MIMIC with the axeFx and turn it on/off with an IA switch on the MFC. Hope that makes sense

Whatever works! :)
 
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