What would the new-gen even have that the current gen doesn’t?

vangrieg said:
But even then it wasn’t an independently installed component, so old models were never released this way. There’s just nothing to install from 3 years ago, and I doubt anyone would spend resources on building, testing, compiling and packaging some old models.
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That is not the point of this thread. Cliff could opt to include the other philosophy built-in as an option into the new gen, just having a switch and including his upgraded code re. "idealized" amps. [OTOH, you could look at the FAS amps to have best of both worlds...]
 
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vangrieg said:
It’s not about respect, it’s just extra work that I don’t believe will ever be prioritized.
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I disagree as he preferred it at the time but felt pressured.
He could respect his own preference by including it again and leaving all modes as his legacy (esp. if CPU/memory are there).
OTOH, I suspect he may be just fine with the current philosophy. I find both of them worthy.
Most of the "extra work" was already in the earlier firmwares... Sure, it may be way more complicated than we think -- or it might be relatively easy.

I mostly suspect FAS may feel like it's bad marketing if a product doesn't sound as current as possible. I think that's a little sad... The work was already done -- why not include it? It would give a welcome variation and take some pressure off having to add the last few percent (if any) of realness. OTOH, we do want that too ;) (but I could not name what's lacking)
 
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Again its the upkeep and dealing with customer issues. All the behind the scenes stuff.

If you want old fw sounds, get the tonematch (or NAM) and do it :). No dual fw necessary.
 
Budda said:
Again its the upkeep and dealing with customer issues.
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People unable to easily access their old sounds (e.g., when needed for old projects) has been a HUGE customer issue throughout... (some of this problem probably lessened a lot as amp code has stabilized.)
Great to see you enjoy it though... ;)
I say you can at least meet in the middle.
 
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Rex said:
I'm not sure what you're actually doing, but you can't modify the name of an amp sim.
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Sorry for the confusion. here are 2 pix-one showing how I named amp blocks and the other showing not what i named the block, but the type amp block that I'm using. I would like to see that block that i renamed. e.g. the FAS Brootalz block- i modified it and named it "Brootalz Black Dan" but when i close out Axe Edit and come back later, the amp block i modified shows as "FAS Brootalz" instead of "Brootalz Black Dan" and if there are several FAS Brootalz blocks i renamed, i may not remember which one i am using for that channel which causes confusion in case i modify it and want to resave it, i don't know which of my blocks is being saved. could be any of the FAS Brootalz i renamed
 

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Brewce said:
AFAIK, it's what Cliff was all about until he felt pressured into having amps behave as real as possible
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Brewce said:
I disagree as he preferred it at the time but felt pressured.
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curious to see the actual posts / quotes from Fractal on this as I don't remember reading anything like that here - more just quotes like this one referring to a primary Fractal objective of accuracy improvement.
 
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Budda said:
If you want old fw sounds, get the tonematch (or NAM) and do it :). No dual fw necessary.
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Another use case is discovering a new bug during a gig. Good to have a working fw on-board (if you prefer that option to another).
You can be less afraid to gig with a beeta and contribute in the process ;)
 
Guitarmandan said:
Sorry for the confusion. here are 2 pix-one showing how I named amp blocks and the other showing not what i named the block, but the type amp block that I'm using. I would like to see that block that i renamed. e.g. the FAS Brootalz block- i modified it and named it "Brootalz Black Dan" but when i close out Axe Edit and come back later, the amp block i modified shows as "FAS Brootalz" instead of "Brootalz Black Dan" and if there are several FAS Brootalz blocks i renamed, i may not remember which one i am using for that channel which causes confusion in case i modify it and want to resave it, i don't know which of my blocks is being saved. could be any of the FAS Brootalz i renamed
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Your pictures are upside down...

That's the block library. It's just saved block or channel settings.

The names don't persist after changing presets because the names are only stored on your computer. Once the settings are loaded into your preset then the saved block isn't relative any more.
 
Guitarmandan said:
Sorry for the confusion. here are 2 pix-one showing how I named amp blocks and the other showing not what i named the block, but the type amp block that I'm using. I would like to see that block that i renamed. e.g. the FAS Brootalz block- i modified it and named it "Brootalz Black Dan" but when i close out Axe Edit and come back later, the amp block i modified shows as "FAS Brootalz" instead of "Brootalz Black Dan" and if there are several FAS Brootalz blocks i renamed, i may not remember which one i am using for that channel which causes confusion in case i modify it and want to resave it, i don't know which of my blocks is being saved. could be any of the FAS Brootalz i renamed
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EDIT — Never mind. This was already answered by @unix-guy above.
 
mwd said:
Tuner presets.
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I never gave the Tuner much thought, as it does a great job in my opinion..

...until I realized that I am using offsets for my electric guitar to sweeten the sounds to my fingers, and of course by default using the same setting on my Acoustic when I tune up, without really thinking about it.

Might be nice to be able to switch Tuner mode/settings between guitars or patches or something. Prob tied to patches is better, as I might forget otherwise (in the heat of battle on stage)
 
Brewce said:
People unable to easily access their old sounds (e.g., when needed for old projects) has been a HUGE customer issue throughout... (some of this problem probably lessened a lot as amp code has stabilized.)
Great to see you enjoy it though... ;)
I say you can at least meet in the middle.
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Ive been on here a while and havent seen this as a huge issue :confused:
 
Brewce said:
https://forum.fractalaudio.com/thre...nus-x-3-release-candidate.203306/post-2544846
"Before the Cygnus firmware I was more about 'make it sound good' rather than accuracy. [...]"
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Makes me think about loading up the last pre-cygnus firmware, just to check out that version of "sounding good" :)

The few specific changes he called out are topological, like where the master volume goes, so it's not that easy to create a "Hype" knob to let users control that stuff.

Guess we just go to the FAS amps if we want that.
 
Dave Merrill said:
Makes me think about loading up the last pre-cygnus firmware, just to check out that version of "sounding good" :)
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When I used one of the (Satriani like) JVM factory presets on the Axe II, I could not imagine it getting better!
I've been literally afraid to try it on the FM9 (or maybe I touched it and went oops...)... So yeah, IMO there is a place for both.
OTOH, there is no room for real discontent -- just suggestions here...
 
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