What would the new-gen even have that the current gen doesn’t?

You have to think beyond just amp selections. You can capture:

-pedals
-amps
-preamps
-power amps
-eq’s
-cabs
-mics
-mic preamps
-strip preamps
-etc

And you can combine them in any form or fashion that you want.

A new pedal came out that you’re interested in but it hasn’t been modeled yet in the latest firmware? Find a capture and play it.

New Peavey Josh Homme Decade Too combo amp came out too? Try it out and see what all the fuss/fuzz is about.

When talking about next gen, don’t root yourself in defending what you have in the same gen.
Nah, not defending......I would just rather my modeler of choice spend it's resources on modeling, not captures.
 
Off the top of my head I can think of several Ax4 items. In no particular order:
  • Relay switching jacks to facilitate amp channel switching in 4cm scenarios.
  • Separated Left/Right Input and Output blocks.
  • Stereo block input option for all pitch modes (several only allow mono in the current Axefx).
  • Acoustic sim block including 12 String mode.
  • Feedbacker block equal or better than digitech Freqout.
  • Doubler block equal or better than TC mimic.
  • A Tape/Doubler block equal or better than Strymon Deco.
  • Increased CPU (yes - some can max it in some scenarios (and always will)).
  • Full user assignable CPU without block instance limits within available CPU.
  • Allow distinct modifiers attached to a given control in each and every channel.
  • Isolated virtual power amp section capability.
  • Reverse MUX block that can send input to a selectable mix of multiple output paths.
  • More Send/Return blocks.
  • Profiling capability (have not always been a fan, but Tonex convinces me it is at least .. "handy".
  • Export Tone Match to PEQ.
  • 31 Band Output EQs - on/off midi switchable.
  • Offline Patch Editing.
  • Ios editor support.
  • Separate headphone volume ctrl.
  • Customizable front panel home screen.
  • 2U Form factor.
  • Merged Midi Out/Thru option.
  • Polyphonic synth
  • ...
(There's a thread for this list somewhere (Ax4 feature list) but I can't seem to find it.)
Um, wow! I wonder if Cliff thinks about Axe-Fx's as much as you do
 
You have to think beyond just amp selections. You can capture:

-pedals
-amps
-preamps
-power amps
-eq’s
-cabs
-mics
-mic preamps
-strip preamps
-etc

And you can combine them in any form or fashion that you want.

A new pedal came out that you’re interested in but it hasn’t been modeled yet in the latest firmware? Find a capture and play it.

New Peavey Josh Homme Decade Too combo amp came out too? Try it out and see what all the fuss/fuzz is about.

When talking about next gen, don’t root yourself in defending what you have in the same gen.
https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/any-news-about-axe-fx-iv.213009/post-2667580
 
You have to think beyond just amp selections. You can capture:

-pedals
-amps
-preamps
-power amps
-eq’s
-cabs
-mics
-mic preamps
-strip preamps
-etc

And you can combine them in any form or fashion that you want.

A new pedal came out that you’re interested in but it hasn’t been modeled yet in the latest firmware? Find a capture and play it.

New Peavey Josh Homme Decade Too combo amp came out too? Try it out and see what all the fuss/fuzz is about.

When talking about next gen, don’t root yourself in defending what you have in the same gen.

Yeah but FAS doesn’t do capturing. I seriously doubt Cliff is interested in that.
 
There’s been a lot of talk about what Fractal’s next gen product will be, but I don’t really understand what could be added to the AxeIV, FM3, and FM9 next-gen that isn’t already on those units now. The only thing I can think of is capturing, but that’s not really Fractal’s cup of tea. I do wish tone match was added to the FM3 and FM9, but I don’t think that will ever happen.
Things I would want to put in based on how I use the unit:
  • A wifi/bluetooth connection to manage presets without needing a usb cable connected and to apply updates
  • the ability to reboot itself after updates
  • a larger screen with a more logical set of physical controls layout around it
  • more horsepower and memory because why not
  • the ability to be usb-c powered would be nice since now it can output enough juice
  • whatever hardware is needed to run this type of visualizations to help work with eqs and compressors https://www.voxengo.com/product/primeeq/
  • whatever hardware is missing to implement more powerful / complex synth and whacky effects like random granular delays etc...
  • improved midi support for control surfaces - EVERYTHING controllable via midi would be very nice
  • XLR input with phanton power to connect a microphone
  • the ability to select cab bypass for a specific output
Off the top of my head those are really the area where I think a new gen unit could make significant improvements, what's in the 3 sounds so good already that is frankly not a priority to me to improve vanishingly what is already essentially perfect.
 
The Pitch block is already polyphonic...

Are you talking about processing each string independently? Because that isn't feasible without a special pickup at (and support for that on the Axe Fx).

Or maybe you mean the Synth block?
If that’s true then it needs to match or surpass the Line 6 Helix/HX version.
 
Things I would want to put in based on how I use the unit:
  • A wifi/bluetooth connection to manage presets without needing a usb cable connected and to apply updates.
I have owned a couple different mixers that supported WiFi control via an iPad. This feature turned out to be totally usable most of the time do to WiFi denial of service attacks when many people in an audience would try to connect to its SSID just to see if they could. Hiding the SSID helped, but even then, large numbers of cell phones at the gig were operating on the same channels as the mixer and caused the mixer to crash often. I have heard of similar issues with Bluetooth controlled audio equipment, however, I have never owned equipment with that capability.
 
I have owned a couple different mixers that supported WiFi control via an iPad. This feature turned out to be totally usable most of the time do to WiFi denial of service attacks when many people in an audience would try to connect to its SSID just to see if they could. Hiding the SSID helped, but even then, large numbers of cell phones at the gig were operating on the same channels as the mixer and caused the mixer to crash often. I have heard of similar issues with Bluetooth controlled audio equipment, however, I have never owned equipment with that capability.
I'm sure there's companies out there doing s shit job at implementing wireless connectivity to their devices but I promise you there's millions of devices out there managing to not have any issues whatsoever and working perfectly every day.
 
Of course, everyone loves the idea of capturing tones — but honestly, it’s not that essential. Personally, I use both the ToneX pedal and the NAM Player pedal by Dimehead into my Axe-Fx III, and it works flawlessly. I also use their plugins.

To me, Fractal is arriving way too late in this game to seriously hope to compete or create its own standard. The competition is just too far ahead. If you wanted an Axe-Fx to run NAM natively, you’d need a powerful DSP (like the one already in the AF3) and a high-end ARM Cortex neural processor — and that would easily push the price of an Axe-Fx IV to around $5K.

Keep in mind: NAM can’t run on a traditional DSP — it needs a CPU architecture closer to a computer. So far, only Dimehead has managed to make true 1:1 hardware NAM playback. The others rely on conversions or workarounds (like the Anagram, which uses Olifan’s trick).

Between the high hardware cost and expensive development, it’s clear that many Axe-Fx III users — who aren’t always pros or making money with their gear — wouldn’t follow. They can’t justify dropping company money on a new unit. But for pro studios or touring acts, $5K could make sense.

Another major challenge for Fractal is the ecosystem. NAM, ToneX, and Neural Capture (via Cortex Cloud) already have tens of thousands of profiles and captures, including tons of pro-level ones (like ToneJunkie, among others). That’s a massive head start.

What could make the Axe-Fx IV appealing is a radical redesign: make it smaller, lighter, and more practical. It’s currently way too bulky and heavy. I don’t care about a huge screen — I’d rather have a streamlined, app-based interface.

My ideal Axe-Fx IV:
  • 1U rack format, passive cooling, no built-in screen
  • Full control via iOS/Android app or optional touch screen remote
  • 96kHz USB audio interface
 
What I really miss is a real physical tone stack with real pots and knobs that could offer the same sensations than a real amp. Those infinite knobs under the screen are very functional but they are lifeless.
Lifeless.
Interesting angle.
One i don't buy in the slightest.

You either have motorized knobs, knobs out of sync with settings, or positionless infinite knobs like Fractal, which is clearly the best of those options IMO.

Lifeless knobs?
What does that even mean?
 
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What I really miss is a real physical tone stack with real pots and knobs that could offer the same sensations than a real amp. Those infinite knobs under the screen are very functional but they are lifeless.

That’d be nice. How many though?

Gain, Bass, Mids, Treble, Master Volume, Presence, Depth, and an Assignable one for amps with two gain controls?

Lifeless.
Interesting angle.
One i don't buy in the slightest.

You either have motorized knobs, knobs out of sync with settings, or positionless infinite knobs like Fractal, which is clearly the best of those options IMO.

Lifeless knobs?
What does that even mean?

Or have positionless infinite knobs with circular led arrays around them that correspond to the saved preset settings and adjust accordingly to movement?

Could even take it step further and have a Type button that is color coded to leds. Green ring is Drive block hit Type and color changes to red where you’re now on the Amp block, Type again and you’re on blue and chorus, etc.
 
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