The end of the "amp in th room" discussion for me

Manny Fufish said:
Just query "amp in the room" by member fractalaudio. Cliff has said over and over again, if you want amp in the room, use a power amp and cab. It's in many threads.

I wish FRFR did sound/feel the same to me just for the space it would save! :)
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Never cared for amp in the room... But when I got the first Axe, like a nearly a decade ago I did the rack thing.
Eventually ended up with IEM and going to FOH.
I did 3 years of IEM, don't dig it if I don't have to.
Went back to loaded down amps/Axe set up.
Then started doing it without power amp/cabs. With Atomic Reactors.

Recently hybrid again, Axe FRFR, and into tube power amp into guitar cab.
My final signal is Axe and multiple mics on guitar cab

I cannot even fathom the idea of using a solid state outer amp. I rather use a duplicate of the amp block without power amp sim to run with the guitar cab if I can not find s comprise.
But really don't mind the concept of loaded down power amp into per amp.
Remind me of my guytron days.

I love Q6... Even more so with a guitar cab.
 
When I play my presets at home (studio monitors, headphone or RCF 412a) I often make some small adjustments and I know that they translate the same way for every systems that I play (2 Q12a and a small pa in the rehearse, IEM and pa on stages).

When I'd start to use guitar cabs with the axe-fx, how then could I tweak presets? Then I'd always had to keep in mind that it has to work too on all different systems. You might say I could take an IR of my guitar cab for the FOH signal. But then I ask, why not using just that IR with a monitor.

So even if it sounds good with a guitar cab at home it could have a negative influence on the FOH signal, because I'd then waste some time tweaking the cab signal instead of optimizing the FOH signal.
 
If you want to go that route, take a look at the fxloop block. This will give you one signal to front of house with IRs etc and a completely seperate signal chain for your amp/cab configuration. Lots of guys run that way.
 
krcassid said:
This is exactly what I would expect and your experience is exactly what I needed. Thx! The 2:90, 20/20, Hiwatt power amps are all great. But, unless you are using them with Mesa amps and Hiwatts, it won't be right. IE: I'm a big Vox guy. I can run Axe Voxes thru the EL84 20/20 but I know it won't be the same as using the Axe power sims. So, Which Matrix do I get? Any suggestions? I am typically running into cabs that will handle a max of 100w. These SS amps have huge power ratings. I don't want to blow up my speakers. What is the smart way to go SS?

Thank You!
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I use the GT1000FX and GM50 in a 2x12 for smaller rooms. Just keep the levels down and you won't blow anything up. My 4x12 has 4 Greenbacks so it's a 100 watt cab. I have no problems.
 
666was999 said:
When I play my presets at home (studio monitors, headphone or RCF 412a) I often make some small adjustments and I know that they translate the same way for every systems that I play (2 Q12a and a small pa in the rehearse, IEM and pa on stages).

When I'd start to use guitar cabs with the axe-fx, how then could I tweak presets? Then I'd always had to keep in mind that it has to work too on all different systems. You might say I could take an IR of my guitar cab for the FOH signal. But then I ask, why not using just that IR with a monitor.

So even if it sounds good with a guitar cab at home it could have a negative influence on the FOH signal, because I'd then waste some time tweaking the cab signal instead of optimizing the FOH signal.
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First off changes made on one set of reference might it might not translate to another.
I can't answer for you but I can tell you that my way of miking a speaker is to me preferable than any IR.
And I've used my own IRs since Waves Q clone came out.

So in my world both have a place. No reason for either or
 
I guess I'm one of the lucky one's who bought the axe with the built in amp in the room option:) I get great direct recordings, amp in the room feeling and sitting in the mix with a band just using 2 atomics.
 
I run the same setup: Axe through Mesa 2:90 into Mesa 1x12's. I tried going to FRFR but it just didn't cut it for me either. The sound was good through FRFR- very smooth and just what the Axe advertises but I prefer the 2:90 and cabs for that indefinable feel.
If I was gigging on a regular basis, I would probably figure something out to save on the back from carrying extra gear after three back surgeries but I'm ok with what I have, especially since I ended up with an extra 2:90 when I had a problem with one so I just leave it at the jam room with a set of speakers and carry my Axe back and forth. I have split my power amp and Axe into two cases and the 1x12's are a lot easier to carry.
I have been thinking about trying a Matrix to replace the Mesa but haven't done it yet.
 
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