I'm not sure I follow your question.Is there actually a difference between "just a pedal" vs. whatever it is they are marketing now?
I'm not sure I follow your question.
The appeal of the Fractal products is that it is "all in" - you have your amp, cab, effects chain all in one spot, one device. You can switch between different presets on the fly to drastically change your sound as well. Your setup is relatively easy - plug instrument in, plug output to (often) a powered cab, and another to front of house, and you're done. Every night you'll sound the same.
When I say that there has been "extremely soft support" from Fractal, what I'm saying is that us bass players will sometimes make a bit of a rukus about not having more modeled bass gear. On some occasion, one of the Fractal employees will step in with words of encouragement that bass players are supported and there's more to come. The "soft" part of that is, very little ever actually comes. We don't even know what model SVT or 400 was modeled, or where any of the settings were when modeled.
All of that said, it's still a pretty good solution for bass players. I still use mine, but, I'm not about to dish out a lot more money for an Axe-Fx III until things drastically change with regards to bass gear modeling. And I've been vocal about that on talkbass, the annual large bass player get together I run, and with anyone who asks me about Fractal gear for bass. My AX8 and Axe-Fx II are pretty alright, but they could be so much more.
Which part are you talking about specifically? The "complete rig in one box"? Yeah, it's not a brand new concept by any means, but Fractal's is the best solution so far in terms of quality and reliability. Years past the processing power available just wasn't plentiful enough to achieve what can be done today. Hopefully, some day, us bass players get tossed a bone... for now, it's a lot of fancy presets with using things in unusual manners to get close-ish to the tone we want.Aren't most effect pedals set like that even before Fractal came into existence? I owned a BOSS multitrack that had the so called COSM effect where the effects themselves have the amp and cab emulation. I'm not sure how this is a new thing with the Fractal products?
If you need 8X10's, you can find some here along with bundled AX-8 presets and accompanying WAV files in the Combo Packs:I was just setting up a preset on the III for bass. I noticed I couldn’t find an 8x10, but there were quite a few new ones there that weren’t on my AX8. I also saw that the old 8x10 wasn’t ultra res, so I guess all the lower quality ir’s werent Transferred over to the 3. Digging the cabinet mixing!
Which part are you talking about specifically? The "complete rig in one box"? Yeah, it's not a brand new concept by any means, but Fractal's is the best solution so far in terms of quality and reliability. Years past the processing power available just wasn't plentiful enough to achieve what can be done today. Hopefully, some day, us bass players get tossed a bone... for now, it's a lot of fancy presets with using things in unusual manners to get close-ish to the tone we want.
Not usually... Those that are usual proclaim it, so you'd knowAre multi effects pedal also a modelling effects pedal? Are they one in the same?
I agree with pretty much all of this. I often take lengthy breaks from these forums in part because I get a LOT of "What bassists have is good enough, I (often a guitarist) get good enough bass tone so you should too". That attitude is toxic, unwelcoming, and unproductive. If someone tells you something hurts, the last thing you should do is say "well, it doesn't hurt me!".I've been pretty vocal about asking for more bass amps over the past few years.
For studio and "pro" work, the Axe-FX platform delivers pretty much everything needed. With studio bass you're often just laying down dry tracks via DI. As others have said, there are plenty of great tones to be had in this scenario, not just as simple DI + FX but in using the existing amps as "starting points" with extensive EQ manipulation to get tones that sit well in a mix.
For non-pro live, average gigging, etc. I think the Axe-FX platform comes up short on bass. In these scenarios, I'm personally looking for replicating existing and defined bass tones that accurately model real preamps/amps/cabs/speakers. We've got the cabs/speaker part well along now (thanks Dr.!), but we are still missing the wide array of bass preamps that give us those recognizable tones easily (GK/Fender/Eden/Aguilar/Hartke/Ashdown/Trace for example - I mean seriously look at that list of missing bass amp "staples"). And every time a new guitar amp is added (that's .1% different than the other 3 versions of that same amp already there), some of us bassists get a bit salty.
My hope is that one day we get a big "Bass Love" firmware update that someone at Fractal has been working on behind the scenes. On that day, I'll be able to make my Axe-III my primary (sole?) modeling device, but until then I'm using other modelers for bass work because I can get the results I need faster.
I got a really good laugh just now on facebook.
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I got a really good laugh just now on facebook.
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