New to Fractal, got an FM3 on the way, first question...

[Jeggz]

Gotcha

 

[DanDesy]

Yeah but if I have Out2 set to full unity gain, I’ll have no way to adjust volume on the fly. Unless I’m missing something.

I don’t understand what the difference is.

 

[Jeggz]

From what I’m understanding ( barely ) , Out 1 just covers overall volume, no tone changes, Out 2 , will change your tone depending where the knob is set, basically, Out2 is so you don’t clip your power amp, then use the power amps volume control to set how loud you are.

I think.

 

[Rex]

From what I’m understanding ( barely ) , Out 1 just covers overall volume, no tone changes, Out 2 , will change your tone depending where the knob is set, basically, Out2 is so you don’t clip your power amp, then use the power amps volume control to set how loud you are.

I think.

Out 1 covers overall volume -- for Output 1.

Out 2 covers overall volume -- for Output 2

Neither Out1 nor Out2 will change your tone. They only change volume.

 

[DanDesy]

From what I’m understanding ( barely ) , Out 1 just covers overall volume, no tone changes, Out 2 , will change your tone depending where the knob is set, basically, Out2 is so you don’t clip your power amp, then use the power amps volume control to set how loud you are.

I think.

If Out1 didn’t change the tone, it would be completely useless. And both outputs have a level control.

but whatever, you can do it anyway you want.

 

[unix-guy]

If Out1 didn’t change the tone, it would be completely useless.

It doesn't and it's not.

It is a volume control.

 

[Jeggz]

Maybe I’m misinterpreting the manual.

The way it reads, it makes them seem “different” from one another.

At least to me.

 

[DanDesy]

It doesn't and it's not.

It is a volume control.

I think you misread my post. That’s exactly what I was saying.

 

[Rex]

Maybe I’m misinterpreting the manual.

The way it reads, it makes them seem “different” from one another.

At least to me.

A recent firmware update changed the way Out2 behaves, as I described above. This change may not have made it into the manual yet.

 

[Jeggz]

A recent firmware update changed the way Out2 behaves as I described above. This change may not have made it into the manual yet.

Ahhhhhh

 

[unix-guy]

I think you misread my post. That’s exactly what I was saying.

I've read it multiple times and it still sounds like you're saying it changes the tone...

 

[DanDesy]

I've read it multiple times and it still sounds like you're saying it changes the tone...

You must be right. I just wrote it, what do I know?

 

[chris]

Yeah but if I have Out2 set to full unity gain, I’ll have no way to adjust volume on the fly. Unless I’m missing something.

"unity gain" doesn't always mean "all the way up" and unity gain doesn't mean "correct" either. it's a specific level meaning what goes in is the same volume that comes out.

if you want to be able to turn up and down, don't set the knob all the way up, regardless of what "unity gain" is.

Maybe I’m misinterpreting the manual.

The way it reads, it makes them seem “different” from one another.

At least to me.

A recent firmware update changed the way Out2 behaves, as I described above. This change may not have made it into the manual yet.

Ahhhhhh

regardless of this, it never changed tone. they are "Output Levels" not tone controls. never were.

If Out1 didn’t change the tone, it would be completely useless.

this may have been clearer if you said

If Out1 did change the tone, it would be completely useless.

saying "if it didn't" may be confusing because there's no "if" - it doesn't change tone. if it DID, then it would be useless.

 

[Jeggz]

"unity gain" doesn't always mean "all the way up" and unity gain doesn't mean "correct" either. it's a specific level meaning what goes in is the same volume that comes out.

if you want to be able to turn up and down, don't set the knob all the way up, regardless of what "unity gain" is.




regardless of this, it never changed tone. they are "Output Levels" not tone controls. never were.


this may have been clearer if you said

If Out1 did change the tone, it would be completely useless.

saying "if it didn't" may be confusing because there's no "if" - it doesn't change tone. if it DID, then it would be useless.

Then I’ll use Output 2

I was in no great hurry to look for (buy) a custom length right angle xlr to right angle mono 1/4.

 

[unix-guy]

You must be right. I just wrote it, what do I know?

Please read what you wrote as if you don't know what you meant already.

this may have been clearer if you said

If Out1 did change the tone, it would be completely useless.

saying "if it didn't" may be confusing because there's no "if" - it doesn't change tone. if it DID, then it would be useless.

Thanks @chris - that is exactly what I was referring to.

 

[DanDesy]

"unity gain" doesn't always mean "all the way up" and unity gain doesn't mean "correct" either. it's a specific level meaning what goes in is the same volume that comes out.

if you want to be able to turn up and down, don't set the knob all the way up, regardless of what "unity gain" is.




regardless of this, it never changed tone. they are "Output Levels" not tone controls. never were.


this may have been clearer if you said

If Out1 did change the tone, it would be completely useless.

saying "if it didn't" may be confusing because there's no "if" - it doesn't change tone. if it DID, then it would be useless.

If any output of the FM3 did NOT change the tone, it would be useless. It’s an amp modeler. Come on guys.

 

[Randy4Guitars]

somebody here has been drinking

 

[Rex]

If any output of the FM3 did NOT change the tone, it would be useless. It’s an amp modeler. Come on guys.

It’s not the output that changes the tone. It’s all that stuff before the output.

 

[unix-guy]

If any output of the FM3 did NOT change the tone, it would be useless. It’s an amp modeler. Come on guys.

The Output knobs DO NOT change the tone. They are pure level controls.

 

[WKSmith]

You can move out 2 as a block ...and it has analog control of the final level
Super for driving back line separate from the foh feed(s)