Fro
Experienced
OK, so I’m starting a new thread because technically I changed gears just a little bit. The original thread was:
http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/32347-Marshall-Jubilee-A-Long-Work-In-Progress
I’m trying to match my Axe Fx Standard to my Marshall Jubilee, which I currently run with the 4 cable method. The general consensus was that I was close, but should focus on my cab sims instead of relying on the Parametric EQ. I got some wonderful tips and learned quite a bit.
Lesson One: Take great notes. Although I had my cab mix labeled as something I got from Scott Peterson, I didn’t have the actual recipe written down. Scott, I think the suggestion you gave in the last thread will help, but it was nothing like what I was using. Which leads me to believe that if I did originally get it from you, it was something you mention in passing on some obscure thread I found somewhere and not something you regularly use. That, or I changed the crap out of it and didn’t make notes.
Lesson Two: When you finally do decide to painstakingly compare the Axe to the real thing, don’t do it by running the real amp through a Red Box. Although that little thing has had its time and place for me, the biggest downfall with this kind of tweaking is that we don’t really know exactly what the Red Box is simulating. Sure, a 4x12 with a mic of some sort, but when you can get as detailed as you can with the Redwirez, you need more information than that.
So, I scrapped the direct signal for now and back tracked. I wanted to make sure that what I was hearing coming out of the actual guitar cabinet on stage was exactly the same as the Jubilee. Since I wanted to check it with headphones and other various speakers, I decided to mic it the old-fashioned way and record it.
What you have here is me playing that same riff, which my wife is having nightmares about, 2 more times. (It was actually 52 more times until I finished tweaking it) Again, the first is the real Marshall Jubilee, and the second is the Axe Fx. Guitar is still my 70’s Tele custom using bridge and neck pickup together. This time it’s my real Jubilee 2x12, the one that looks like a 4x10. It’s a real SM57 that is 2” Cap Edge. That’s it for both takes, the same real cab and same real mic.
Some of the changes I made since the last thread: I brought the Hi Cut up from 3000 to 4300. I brought the Mid back down to 5, brought the bass up to 10, brought the Presence up a smidge to 2.5, I think. I moved the frequency of the PEQ from 122 down to 100 and brought it up 2 more db. The icing on the cake, thanks to Clark Kent, was bringing the Sag down just a bit, from 2.01 to 1.77. It did tighten it up.
Now you have it, the real thing. If I listen to this tomorrow and think that they still sound the same, I will move on to the direct signal and attempt the cab sims again. What I can’t decide is if I should now try to match the cab sim with this recording, or go back to matching the Red Box. Either way, my wife thinks I’m nuts.
Thanks again for the help. If you do look at the patch, ignore the cab sim and PEQ that lead to Output 1. That’s not finished yet. The fun bit is output 2. That’s what I was running to may SLA1 and Marshal cab.
http://soundcloud.com/fromas/axe-fx-jubile-test-2
http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/32347-Marshall-Jubilee-A-Long-Work-In-Progress
I’m trying to match my Axe Fx Standard to my Marshall Jubilee, which I currently run with the 4 cable method. The general consensus was that I was close, but should focus on my cab sims instead of relying on the Parametric EQ. I got some wonderful tips and learned quite a bit.
Lesson One: Take great notes. Although I had my cab mix labeled as something I got from Scott Peterson, I didn’t have the actual recipe written down. Scott, I think the suggestion you gave in the last thread will help, but it was nothing like what I was using. Which leads me to believe that if I did originally get it from you, it was something you mention in passing on some obscure thread I found somewhere and not something you regularly use. That, or I changed the crap out of it and didn’t make notes.
Lesson Two: When you finally do decide to painstakingly compare the Axe to the real thing, don’t do it by running the real amp through a Red Box. Although that little thing has had its time and place for me, the biggest downfall with this kind of tweaking is that we don’t really know exactly what the Red Box is simulating. Sure, a 4x12 with a mic of some sort, but when you can get as detailed as you can with the Redwirez, you need more information than that.
So, I scrapped the direct signal for now and back tracked. I wanted to make sure that what I was hearing coming out of the actual guitar cabinet on stage was exactly the same as the Jubilee. Since I wanted to check it with headphones and other various speakers, I decided to mic it the old-fashioned way and record it.
What you have here is me playing that same riff, which my wife is having nightmares about, 2 more times. (It was actually 52 more times until I finished tweaking it) Again, the first is the real Marshall Jubilee, and the second is the Axe Fx. Guitar is still my 70’s Tele custom using bridge and neck pickup together. This time it’s my real Jubilee 2x12, the one that looks like a 4x10. It’s a real SM57 that is 2” Cap Edge. That’s it for both takes, the same real cab and same real mic.
Some of the changes I made since the last thread: I brought the Hi Cut up from 3000 to 4300. I brought the Mid back down to 5, brought the bass up to 10, brought the Presence up a smidge to 2.5, I think. I moved the frequency of the PEQ from 122 down to 100 and brought it up 2 more db. The icing on the cake, thanks to Clark Kent, was bringing the Sag down just a bit, from 2.01 to 1.77. It did tighten it up.
Now you have it, the real thing. If I listen to this tomorrow and think that they still sound the same, I will move on to the direct signal and attempt the cab sims again. What I can’t decide is if I should now try to match the cab sim with this recording, or go back to matching the Red Box. Either way, my wife thinks I’m nuts.
Thanks again for the help. If you do look at the patch, ignore the cab sim and PEQ that lead to Output 1. That’s not finished yet. The fun bit is output 2. That’s what I was running to may SLA1 and Marshal cab.
http://soundcloud.com/fromas/axe-fx-jubile-test-2