Just as a follow up, I have never been happy with the sound of the looper on the AFX3. I took my Boss looper (which sounds great) to my friend at Cambridge University. He took a look inside the Boss and found that the AD-DA converter inside runs at 96K twice the amount of the AFX3. So I wasn't mad, there wasn't anything wrong with my ears, the effects were not in wrong order, there was no need to show picture of my setup, the volume wasn't wrong the AFX3 looper is simply inferior. An upgrade for AFX4.... or maybe some of those who "think" they know everything have a better solution. Harse yes but I do find Mr moderator those whom know least generally profess to know most and WASTE peoples time.