Just bought some EV PXM-12MP’s

Kelleys Heroes said:
...I'm never quite sure how my guitar sounds when I place the EV PXM in the wedge position behind me facing out.
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If your guitar isn’t running through FOH, a monitor in wedge position won’t serve the audience well. The response of even wide-dispersion monitors falls off rapidly beyond 45° off axis, and the audience is 60° off axis to a monitor.

If you need to use your monitor as backline, and that monitor is on the floor, there’s no substitute for a “half-wedge” angle, so both you and the crown canhear.
 
Rex said:
If your guitar isn’t running through FOH, a monitor in wedge position won’t serve the audience well. The response of even wide-dispersion monitors falls off rapidly beyond 45° off axis, and the audience is 60° off axis to a monitor.

If you need to use your monitor as backline, and that monitor is on the floor, there’s no substitute for a “half-wedge” angle, so both you and the crown canhear.
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Here's my solution to finding that angle. A couple of hinges from Ace Hardware, some alien tape and a slightly longer screw to mount it, a piece of windshield washer hose split and glued to the "leg," and a magnet taped to the side that can clamp it noiselessly to the grill when it's folded down. Works very well when it's behind me, facing forward and about 6'+ back, and the audience still hears it pretty well. It's not a sub for a really good PA, but finding that and a good soundman to match it is challenging in certain places. For this orientation with one speaker, I typically start with Tripod mode, highs rolled off -4dB, mids rolled off -5dB at 280Hz, and lows rolled off -4 or -5dB. If I use two speakers, I'll often need to roll off the lows even more, which is easy enough with the output EQ, as is finding room modes.

I haven't attached feet to my speakers, and the finish seems to be holding up well to pretty regular gigs.
 

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Good suggestions. It gets complicated with a mixed backline like with my band. Sometimes I play with an amp and leave the fractal at home, so I"m resigned to this situation long term :)
 
Well, I believe that at some point you have to do the experiment so this showed up today. Shipping box was beat to crap but seems fine and great price/quick ship from KPODJ. So far I'm liking Monitor 2 with a slight treble cut, running it upside down so it is like a guitar cab that is slightly angled up. I also have a short stand that I might use at gigs, but I'll have to revisit eq because physics. Different character than the Elis.8 but no concerns about volume - seems to have gobs of headroom and it isn't spikey so far.


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This is the analog (well, hybrid with the VP4/FM9 in the path) gold standard. Choices are good...and that corner is a mess.

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So a few thoughts after some home tinkering, then rehearsal with the 10 piece band at the studio.

  1. plenty loud. Doesn't feel like it is working hard at all
  2. the eq is useful - I do a treble cut (bass cut is in the FM9), originally cut the mids around 4k but put that back to zero. I'm using Monitor 2 sitting on it's back (like a guitar cab, logo is upside down).
  3. didn't dig the guitar cab mode - would have required a very different eq of my presets and I don't find FRFR mode to be annoying. But good to have in a pinch I suppose eg as backup to a tube amp/pedal board setup.
  4. mids are my one thing I'm still tweaking. I found that I could avoid shrill treble (that has been a challenge with previous PA cabs I've used), but I'm missing a bit of punch. My first pass at addressing that was just adding some mids on the amp model (Dirty Shirley), but I likely also need to look at my drive pedals and go with something more mid focused. Or it may just be a bit more cut on the low and high end. More experimentation required.

Have a gig Saturday, on the fence about which setup to bring. If I take the Bartel I'll have to mic it as I don't want to have to fiddle with my dual presets (too many variables at once). If I take the FM9, the one EV cab will be plenty, just bring the Elis.8 as a backup. All in all I think this is a keeper, especially since I can use it for solo gigs as a secondary (or even primary) amp/cab. I've been using a Henriksen Bud 10 for acoustic/dobro/vocals but since the EV has two inputs, that will do the trick as well.
 
nostatic said:
So a few thoughts after some home tinkering, then rehearsal with the 10 piece band at the studio.

  1. plenty loud. Doesn't feel like it is working hard at all
  2. the eq is useful - I do a treble cut (bass cut is in the FM9), originally cut the mids around 4k but put that back to zero. I'm using Monitor 2 sitting on it's back (like a guitar cab, logo is upside down).
  3. didn't dig the guitar cab mode - would have required a very different eq of my presets and I don't find FRFR mode to be annoying. But good to have in a pinch I suppose eg as backup to a tube amp/pedal board setup.
  4. mids are my one thing I'm still tweaking. I found that I could avoid shrill treble (that has been a challenge with previous PA cabs I've used), but I'm missing a bit of punch. My first pass at addressing that was just adding some mids on the amp model (Dirty Shirley), but I likely also need to look at my drive pedals and go with something more mid focused. Or it may just be a bit more cut on the low and high end. More experimentation required.

Have a gig Saturday, on the fence about which setup to bring. If I take the Bartel I'll have to mic it as I don't want to have to fiddle with my dual presets (too many variables at once). If I take the FM9, the one EV cab will be plenty, just bring the Elis.8 as a backup. All in all I think this is a keeper, especially since I can use it for solo gigs as a secondary (or even primary) amp/cab. I've been using a Henriksen Bud 10 for acoustic/dobro/vocals but since the EV has two inputs, that will do the trick as well.
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Can you compare the overall EQ and sense of "punch" you get between the EV and the Elis.8? I have the latter now and I'm trying to decide between getting a second Elis.8 vs. Getting an EV to try something different. If you could only have one, which would you choose? Thanks.
 
unix-guy said:
I think @Greg Ferguson has both...
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The important thing to remember about the two is that one has an 8” woofer, and the other has a 12”.

What struck me is that the 8” has a frequency response that is really close to that of a 6-string guitar in normal tuning, whereas the EV’s range extends below that and it tends to result in more low-end punch. That isn’t necessarily good, it’s just something to be aware of because it affects how we EQ and can be affected by the speaker placement on stage.

If you are playing metal or using dropped tuning, or playing a baritone guitar, the 12” might be just right. If you’re playing acoustic or don’t need an extended lower range, then the 8” is probably just right. But that doesn’t mean 8” speakers can’t sound great with a guitar that’s tuned down, or even with a bass being passed through it, they can. It’s tied to the volume and the frequency range and speaker placement on stage.

An important thing about the EV cabs is they’re stage monitors that are designed to handle a wider frequency range, and they have a lot of reserve power. I haven’t had both systems side by side at a loud stage volume but my first thought is that the EV is going to be the winner. But at desirable, friendly to human ears, the ELIS.8 will do really well. I’ve used my EVs as my back line and they had plenty of volume to spare. I’ve used my ELIS.8 in a larger room as a back line but I was also sending a feed to the FOH who was backfilling when the band got rambunctious.

That said, the ELIS.8 have punch, surprisingly so. Every time I turn the guitar up on stage and they start to bloom I grin.

I recommend anyone who is trying to decide what sort of “FRFR” rig to get should wander into a guitar shop that has a reasonable selection of PA speakers and plug in with the modeler, and try different woofer sizes, and research how they match the guitar frequency range of their particular style of music.
 
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Rockuronium said:
Can you compare the overall EQ and sense of "punch" you get between the EV and the Elis.8? I have the latter now and I'm trying to decide between getting a second Elis.8 vs. Getting an EV to try something different. If you could only have one, which would you choose? Thanks.
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I find the Elis.8 has more mid punch. I don’t tune down or play baritone (do play bass but different rig/story there). As Greg said, the EV is much more in the true full-range category and has much ore headroom. I think most modelers, and maybe even most amps have too much low end for a band mix, especially if it is dense. The Elis favors the part of the mids that guitar operate in to my ear.

At the gig I actually ran the EV first set, then pulled it and swapped in the Bartel (hung a mic in front to feed FOH). The FM9/EV combo was ok but a bit sizzly. The Bartel just killed, two small knob tweaks and it was perfect. I used the FM9 just for effects into the front.
 
nostatic said:
I find the Elis.8 has more mid punch. I don’t tune down or play baritone (do play bass but different rig/story there). As Greg said, the EV is much more in the true full-range category and has much ore headroom. I think most modelers, and maybe even most amps have too much low end for a band mix, especially if it is dense. The Elis favors the part of the mids that guitar operate in to my ear.

At the gig I actually ran the EV first set, then pulled it and swapped in the Bartel (hung a mic in front to feed FOH). The FM9/EV combo was ok but a bit sizzly. The Bartel just killed, two small knob tweaks and it was perfect. I used the FM9 just for effects into the front.
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A high cut in the cab block helps a lot with reducing the sizzle. I set the high cut to 7 kHz with the slope set to 18 dB/octave. It isn't necessary when playing at casual listening volume, but makes the experience a lot more pleasant when listening at high volumes.
 
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