Just bought some EV PXM-12MP’s

Sixstring said:
So you're not missing the Coax vibe that the EV's have? That was one of the things I noticed early on with the two different types of systems. The Coax sounded more guitar speaker like with how the sound came off the front of the box but just had a wider dispersion.
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Like i said the EV is great and by far the best floor monitor I’ve found but… the Laney felt like a real cab under my tips. There was more sag and just had a softer touch. I will report back on the Fender FR12 when it arrives
 
Greg Ferguson said:
That doesn’t match my experience with my EVs. They output what I send to them, without injecting their own sound coloration.

They’re professional stage monitors made by one of the top sound companies around and it’s expected that what goes in will come out correctly.
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All I know is that my tone is always a little warmer sounding (to my ears) from my EV PXMs than what I hear from the QSCs when I walk out front during sound check. I will say that I know the FOH engineer does a very slight amount of EQ tweaking on my tone (primarily to better fit it in the mix based on his ears), but I've had a similar experience with my other band which uses the same FOH mains. I do agree that the PXMs are quite flat though. For sure they are orders of magnitude better than the HR108s I was previously using (no surprise).
 
TheloniusJ said:
All I know is that my tone is always a little warmer sounding (to my ears) from my EV PXMs than what I hear from the QSCs when I walk out front during sound check.
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That needs to be discussed with the FOH person.

To assume it's on the EV speakers is premature IMO. Your sound is your sound, and FOH needs to respect that, and, at the same time you need to understand that FOH might adjust your EQ to fit the overall room's sound. If you trust the FOH tech, and you like your stage sound, it's OK to let them be a bit different, otherwise work together to find the happy middle ground.

The EVs have several profiles you can select, and you can adjust the EQ, either inside the cabinet's DSP or in the modeler. Without knowing how the EVs are set it's hard to comment. I leave mine at the Monitor 2, which is the flattest profile they have assuming a half-space and if they get close to the back wall on the stage I reduce their lows using the EQ in the modeler to compensate for the proximity of the wall. YMMV on how you adjust for changing positions on stage.
 
GuyJames said:
Like i said the EV is great and by far the best floor monitor I’ve found but… the Laney felt like a real cab under my tips. There was more sag and just had a softer touch. I will report back on the Fender FR12 when it arrives
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You should hear when I stack my Laney LFR-212 on top of ,my Laney LFR-412 and my Archangel V3 preamp Fender FR-12 on top of that!
It is a true Wall Of Sound!!!!!!!!!! EPIC!!!!!!!! My neighbors f#cking love me!!!! LoL!!!
 
GLiDE BPM said:
You should hear when I stack my Laney LFR-212 on top of ,my Laney LFR-412 and my Archangel V3 preamp Fender FR-12 on top of that!
It is a true Wall Of Sound!!!!!!!!!! EPIC!!!!!!!! My neighbors f#cking love me!!!! LoL!!!
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Oh my lord 😂 what speaker do you like the best on its own and why? I’m interested in the Archangle V3 but the stock FR12 is honestly great. What was significant or noticeably improved for you in your experience?
 
Greg Ferguson said:
That needs to be discussed with the FOH person.

To assume it's on the EV speakers is premature IMO. Your sound is your sound, and FOH needs to respect that, and, at the same time you need to understand that FOH might adjust your EQ to fit the overall room's sound. If you trust the FOH tech, and you like your stage sound, it's OK to let them be a bit different, otherwise work together to find the happy middle ground.

The EVs have several profiles you can select, and you can adjust the EQ, either inside the cabinet's DSP or in the modeler. Without knowing how the EVs are set it's hard to comment. I leave mine at the Monitor 2, which is the flattest profile they have assuming a half-space and if they get close to the back wall on the stage I reduce their lows using the EQ in the modeler to compensate for the proximity of the wall. YMMV on how you adjust for changing positions on stage.
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As I mentioned, only one of the bands has a sound guy who does that (and I don't think he is wrong). The other band I mentioned that uses QSCs, I have a similar impression and that is completely flat. Like you I run my PXMs on Monitor 2 setting because it seems to be the flattest.

I will also note about the sound guy who applies EQ, he LOVES my tone and always makes comments about how little he has to mess with it (like others I send him a signal that already has appropriate high-pass and low-pass). The other guitarist is a notorious tone tweaker so getting my tone to sit well with him is a bit of a moving target and I believe that is mostly what our engineer is doing. Most of his tweaks are literally like 1, maybe 2 dB and very narrow Q.
 
GuyJames said:
Oh my lord 😂 what speaker do you like the best on its own and why? I’m interested in the Archangle V3 but the stock FR12 is honestly great. What was significant or noticeably improved for you in your experience?
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I like all 3 of them equally. I use one at a time all the way up to all 3. The 412 is just one of those special "little" toys!!! Kill the neighbors ears kinda thing... LoL!!!
 
GLiDE BPM said:
You should hear when I stack my Laney LFR-212 on top of ,my Laney LFR-412 and my Archangel V3 preamp Fender FR-12 on top of that!
It is a true Wall Of Sound!!!!!!!!!! EPIC!!!!!!!! My neighbors f#cking love me!!!! LoL!!!
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I'll bet they like it so much they throw a brick through your window to hear it better! :p
 
nostatic said:
Anyone running these on their side to point out towards the house like a regular cab?
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Definitely, when I need to cover a room. It doesn’t make a whole lot of difference because they have wide dispersion but it makes me feel better.

I added additional feet to my cabs to help avoid vibrations between the two cabinets and keep them in place, and to avoid scratching the side of the lower cabinet.

I also use right angle XLR and IEC power cable adapters to route the connections on the lower cabinet to the side to avoid damage.

LyxPro XLR Angle Adapter Dual Male and Female can be positioned to 4 Different Angles Right Left and 90 Degree Great for Mixers That Interfere with Other Applications - 2 Pack https://a.co/d/5UWXuLS

IEC C14 to C13 Power Adapter PDU... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07LD59C4F?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
 
Greg Ferguson said:
Definitely, when I need to cover a room. It doesn’t make a whole lot of difference because they have wide dispersion but it makes me feel better.

I added additional feet to my cabs to help avoid vibrations between the two cabinets and keep them in place, and to avoid scratching the side of the lower cabinet.

I also use right angle XLR and IEC power cable adapters to route the connections on the lower cabinet to the side to avoid damage.

LyxPro XLR Angle Adapter Dual Male and Female can be positioned to 4 Different Angles Right Left and 90 Degree Great for Mixers That Interfere with Other Applications - 2 Pack https://a.co/d/5UWXuLS

IEC C14 to C13 Power Adapter PDU... https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07LD59C4F?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share
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Good to know, I might try that on my gig tomorrow night, and I'm never quite sure how my guitar sounds when I place the EV PXM in the wedge position behind me facing out.

By the way, thanks @Greg Ferguson for all the info you have posted about this cabinet, very helpful in my decision to go from Atomic CLR to this as my main FRFR solution!
 
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MicroMort said:
Do you have feet pics?

(first and probably last time I have ever typed that)
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I'm sure if you typed "feet pics" into Google's search bar you'd find some.

See https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/potential-fm3-purchase.178383/post-2468540

If I did it again I'd use the ones mentioned last.

Here are some gratuitous photos of feet.

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This is the narrow panel. I forgot I'd added feet to this angle, but it works well when I want the cabs to fire almost straight forward. Given the speakers' dispersion ability it's probably not necessary to do, it just seemed like a good idea at the time.

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Those are the original feet facing me, and the ones on top that I added that'd normally be facing down to protect against whatever the cabinet is resting on. If both cabinets are stacked on their sides it's easy for vibration to allow the cabs to slip. The feet on the top cab keep that from happening.
 
Kelleys Heroes said:
I'm never quite sure how my guitar sounds when I place the EV PXM in the wedge position behind me facing out.
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I think it'd depend on how high the ceiling is, and whether it's concrete or steel or sound-absorbing tile or open air. One place I used to play had a fairly low hard ceiling, so I could fill the room easily with my cabs behind me in their normal monitor position. The other guitar player was using QSC K12s IIRC, in their "monitor" position, so they'd send the sound more-directly ahead. In front of the stage it was still a nice mix.
 
Greg Ferguson said:
I think it'd depend on how high the ceiling is, and whether it's concrete or steel or sound-absorbing tile or open air. One place I used to play had a fairly low hard ceiling, so I could fill the room easily with my cabs behind me in their normal monitor position. The other guitar player was using QSC K12s IIRC, in their "monitor" position, so they'd send the sound more-directly ahead. In front of the stage it was still a nice mix.
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I might "hedge" and prop up the EV with a wooden block I had built that raises the back about 5-6 inches.
 
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