Joining a bar band.

scottburrow

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I can't believe I'm saying this out loud. I have Ben playing churches for over twenty years, that's all I have ever done. But a good friend and drummer texted me last asking if I wanted to join. So now I'm in the process of learning songs for the next couple weeks. I'm extremely excited to play covers, because I have never really done it before in a bar band situation. I hear everyone complain of what a complete waste of time it is and how the scene isn't the same and how the music is boring, or if I play that song one more time, I'm going to kill someone.

see, I've never had the opportunity to have those feelings, so sometimes I feel like I haven't paid my dues. Now granted I played in front of 20,000 people every other weekend for years, but never had the opportunity, to do it to 20 uninterested people in a bar. I know it sounds silly, but I'm done making excuses, on why I'm too good for that.

so this is what happend, I searched google the other day if Christian musicians should play secular music, and iI got to a site where the guy was kind of saying no in a way or I was reading it as if he was being kind of legalistic about the thing, so after much care, I wrote back to. This is what I said.

"I always heard that there wasn't a thing called Christian music, but Christian lyrics, the last I remembered a-g was just a music thing. I have always planned to play bars at some point in my life, as the people I play for are already taken care of supposedly, I need to hangout where the streets are. No preaching, no legalistic crap, just play and be me."

I said a lot more, but I'm not telling you to preach to you either. That site was a Christian musician site, so I went on for awhile.

so the very next day, not thinking much about what I wrote, I get a text from a buddy.

"Scott, you want to join a band"

When I get this, I start freaking out, ok the man upstairs is calling me out because of what I wrote on a national website, he's like you wrote it, now its time to step up to the plate.

so I texted back.

"what's wrong with your current guitar player"

See, I'm already trying to get out of it some how.


he says

"he's a drunk and becoming non interested"

trying to get out of it again.

"you know they have conselors for this kind of thing, maybe he needs help"

he says

"We need you"


crap, I didn't want to hear that.

So I go and check them out, this past friday with their current guitar player, and you know what this guy is pretty good and I actually remember when I was in high school, he was good back then too.

anyway, some observations of being on the outside for so long. What's happened to the music scene. There where maybe at most 5 people interested in the music, about 10 others huddled around the tv watching sports, a few people at the pool tables and the last few playing darts.

dead, dead, dead, I guess that's the point above where you start to hate this stuff after awhile. The lethargic state of the business of music. It's like the music is all around us, so why should they pay attention to it, when its being played by live musicians in the room. At least at church, they have to get through me, before they get to the preacher. A commanding audience.


so long story short, I'm learning songs and in a few weeks I'll hook up with them and start getting this thing off the ground. I'm extremely excited, because I can't remember the last time I played to 5 people.
 
You'll learn some new words :lol

But seriously, have fun with it (is that a contradiction?). You can be more experimental and unstructured in that sort of audeience envioronment, even though you're playing covers. If there;'s a distinctive solo I always play it in my cover bands, but when not, there's room to try out new ideas, scales, etc.

Also, a good front-man will always try to engage everyone in the room. Hard work at times.
 
Naw, I never was a big drinker. I'm scared to drink in bars anymore, with drunk driving laws, no way. Last time I went to see them, I was drinking coffee. It's about playing for me. Always has been. Most of my friends gave up music when they got older, I ran towards it with a new pation.
 
You'll learn some new words :lol

But seriously, have fun with it (is that a contradiction?). You can be more experimental and unstructured in that sort of audeience envioronment, even though you're playing covers. If there;'s a distinctive solo I always play it in my cover bands, but when not, there's room to try out new ideas, scales, etc.

Also, a good front-man will always try to engage everyone in the room. Hard work at times.

Lol, I know all those words. I was the long hair hippie in high school who hung out with the druggies, that's where all the good guitar players were.:mrgreen
 
Really interesting conversation to be had here. The following is *strongly* IMHO. YMMV.

First off - I've played in all sorts of bands since my teens. I've been playing P&W since about 6 years ago steady now. On a secular level - for about the last year and a half, I am back in a band I have been in and out of (mostly "in") doing 90% covers in clubs, bars, casinos and festivals. I've played with this band (in different versions of it) for about 10 years in addition to a lot of other bands, projects, calls, fill-in's, etc.. This band is always a great situation for me in a lot of ways. There was a 3 year hiatus there a few years ago when our singer had a child; she shelved it for a spell. I did other projects and bands; jumped at the chance to get back on board just over a year and a half ago or so.

I essentially need to clear one thing up - you cannot combine or try to somehow justify secular vs. P&W music on a forum. People are not very forgiving on either side of the discussion and it doesn't end well. For me; they are very - VERY - different pursuits. One is for the music, the crowd, the band and the camaraderie, and the fun. The other is as a vessel for an audience of one. I won't get more into that on the board; if you want to PM me or call me to discuss - please feel free.

For me personally, I try to approach both pursuits with the same degree of professionalism, perpetration and attention to detail.

How your secular (and I'll stick to that and refer it it as the 'band' now) band books and draws and entertains is the key to playing great gigs. We all have horrible gigs where you play to a few drunks and a bartender staring at you with crossed arms the whole night.

The key is finding the venues, the music and making it fun by getting the crowd involved. To be entertaining and get the crowd involved is a LOT of work nowadays. Back in the day, you'd just show up and play... it was a party everywhere. Now, you can *kill* it on stage and the crowd is seemingly lost, focused on their IPhones and texting each other instead of dancing.

If you are not having fun, doing it is not worth it over the long term.

A key to my current personal band situation is that everyone is mature, no issues, no drama and they are all *very* good musicians. We play well off each other; we all like the material we play and we all work our *** off on stage to be the best we can be. We have fun, work hard to get the crowd involved and keep them interested. We all get along too, I've known and worked with Laura for over 10 years now on and off (mostly 'on'). I am good friends with everyone in the band and we get along. We do not have any substance abuse issues, we have no drama, we don't have huge egos. We all have ears; no one is a spotlight freak. It's a very enjoyable and good situation. We all get to 'sneak' in some very tasty parts into some fun music (in my case, mostly classic rock/country/top forty stuff).

So my keys to this for you: decide your role and make it clear with whomever is the band leader. Are you a full member? Sideman? Fill-in? Make sure you like the people in the band, you all get along and there is no drama. If you do decide to join them long term, have them look at video of their own gigs to see what is working, what is not working and perhaps use this (your joining) to inject some life into their set lists and seriously look at your current booking situation.

Have fun man, above all things be professional, but have fun.
 
I guess it also depends where you're playing. I was at a place on Friday where there was a cover band playing. There were a fair few people in there, and if they weren't up and dancing, most of 'em were at least watching the band. But this place is basically a music venue that happens to have a bar (and rehearsal rooms, and a music store). It's basically owned and run by musicians, for musos and people who want to actually see bands play.

Other places of course, the band will basically be a very loud jukebox, playing music just because there should be music going, and everyone basically tolerates it as background noise.

At least in a dead venue, if your covers are fairly inoffensive standard cover band material, you're just playing to people who couldn't care less. Try doing it in a weirdo gypsy metal band. A couple of gigs ago we had people walking out just a few songs in. :lol
 
I've been doing cover bands for a while now, and the one thing that keeps me going is the fact that I just really love playing the music. It can be a lot of fun but it can also be a real headache.

Unlike churches, you will need to watch your gear like a hawk.
 
I am good friends with everyone in the band and we get along. We do not have any substance abuse issues, we have no drama, we don't have huge egos. We all have ears; no one is a spotlight freak. It's a very enjoyable and good situation

this is the key to a fun and successful band
 
Really interesting conversation to be had here. The following is *strongly* IMHO. YMMV.

First off - I've played in all sorts of bands since my teens. I've been playing P&W since about 6 years ago steady now. On a secular level - for about the last year and a half, I am back in a band I have been in and out of (mostly "in") doing 90% covers in clubs, bars, casinos and festivals. I've played with this band (in different versions of it) for about 10 years in addition to a lot of other bands, projects, calls, fill-in's, etc.. This band is always a great situation for me in a lot of ways. There was a 3 year hiatus there a few years ago when our singer had a child; she shelved it for a spell. I did other projects and bands; jumped at the chance to get back on board just over a year and a half ago or so.

I essentially need to clear one thing up - you cannot combine or try to somehow justify secular vs. P&W music on a forum. People are not very forgiving on either side of the discussion and it doesn't end well. For me; they are very - VERY - different pursuits. One is for the music, the crowd, the band and the camaraderie, and the fun. The other is as a vessel for an audience of one. I won't get more into that on the board; if you want to PM me or call me to discuss - please feel free.

For me personally, I try to approach both pursuits with the same degree of professionalism, perpetration and attention to detail.

How your secular (and I'll stick to that and refer it it as the 'band' now) band books and draws and entertains is the key to playing great gigs. We all have horrible gigs where you play to a few drunks and a bartender staring at you with crossed arms the whole night.

The key is finding the venues, the music and making it fun by getting the crowd involved. To be entertaining and get the crowd involved is a LOT of work nowadays. Back in the day, you'd just show up and play... it was a party everywhere. Now, you can *kill* it on stage and the crowd is seemingly lost, focused on their IPhones and texting each other instead of dancing.

If you are not having fun, doing it is not worth it over the long term.

A key to my current personal band situation is that everyone is mature, no issues, no drama and they are all *very* good musicians. We play well off each other; we all like the material we play and we all work our *** off on stage to be the best we can be. We have fun, work hard to get the crowd involved and keep them interested. We all get along too, I've known and worked with Laura for over 10 years now on and off (mostly 'on'). I am good friends with everyone in the band and we get along. We do not have any substance abuse issues, we have no drama, we don't have huge egos. We all have ears; no one is a spotlight freak. It's a very enjoyable and good situation. We all get to 'sneak' in some very tasty parts into some fun music (in my case, mostly classic rock/country/top forty stuff).

So my keys to this for you: decide your role and make it clear with whomever is the band leader. Are you a full member? Sideman? Fill-in? Make sure you like the people in the band, you all get along and there is no drama. If you do decide to join them long term, have them look at video of their own gigs to see what is working, what is not working and perhaps use this (your joining) to inject some life into their set lists and seriously look at your current booking situation.

Have fun man, above all things be professional, but have fun.


Well said and that is definitely my attitude as well. I'm a musician, I'm a database analyst for a bank, I'm a professional, a husband and lastly a father of three kids. Anything messing with any of that is not worth it to me. I want to play because I love music, and there is music out there that needs to be played. I told them I want some more diverseness. Cissy strut going into Sam and dave hold on I'm coming in to the trooper from Iron maiden into A rocked out version of an adele song, into Stevie Ray vaugn into The ventures Walk don't run into Las straitjackets Pacifica, back into the usual bar band stuff etc. I want to excite music fans and play like Pandora, but bring it to life.

I realize their are two different mission statements for both things. I'm with you, no need to get into politics or religion, as there are different places for that.

We have a legacy of great music that we can pull from. I want to play the fifties through today. Rock out our own version of a typical dance hit. I hear guys doing that, on this forum all the time, and I love that. I have so much more to say, but I need to get ready for work.

You guys rock. That's why I always call you my family, because you are. Thanks for the feedback folks and keep it coming.
 
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Well said and that is definitely my attitude as well. I'm a musician, I'm a database analyst for a bank, I'm a professional. Anything messing with any of that is not worth it. I want to play because I love music, and there is music out there that needs to be played. I told them I want some more diverseness. Cissy strut going into Sam and dave hold on I'm coming in to the trooper from Iron maiden into A rocked out version of an adele song, into Stevie Ray vaugn into The ventures Walk don't run into Las straitjackets Pacifica, back into the usual bar band stuff etc. I want to excite music fans and play like Pandora, but bring it to life.

I realize their are two different mission statements for both things. I'm with you, no need to get into politics or religion, as there are different places for that.

We have a legacy of great music that we can pull from. I want to play the fifties through today. Rock out our own version of a typical dance hit. I hear guys doing on this forum all the time, and I love that. I have so much more to say, but I need to get ready for work.

You guys rock. That's why I always call you my family, because you are. Thanks for the feedback folks and keep it coming.


thats passoin right there
 
I've played bars, clubs,restaurants, theaters for 30 years with no thought of quitting. I have also played in church which I really enjoyed (for different reasons) and my band that play's in the clubs has done more benefits, celebration of life, fundraisers and other charity events than I can remember. yesterday we did a show at the "Gratitude Club" an "AA" meeting place. because a lot of people in recovery would not feel comfortable in a place of temptation and why shouldn't they get to hears some live music too right! it was one of the funnest show we have done lately. so the P&W and your club band are not mutually exclusive. you can do a lot of good rocking out! Have Fun!
 
I've played bars, clubs,restaurants, theaters for 30 years with no thought of quitting. I have also played in church which I really enjoyed (for different reasons) and my band that play's in the clubs has done more benefits, celebration of life, fundraisers and other charity events than I can remember. yesterday we did a show at the "Gratitude Club" an "AA" meeting place. because a lot of people in recovery would not feel comfortable in a place of temptation and why shouldn't they get to hears some live music too right! it was one of the funnest show we have done lately. so the P&W and your club band are not mutually exclusive. you can do a lot of good rocking out! Have Fun!

Thanks. It's awesome to hear what other folks are doing here. A lot of talent in this place.
 
scott peterson you know what i like about you, you didnt give in to the darkside

your alright for a 'green' guy ...

edit: or a pink guy


the red guys alright the fat k^nt
 
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It is interesting how some view this especially in the christian world. I remember watching this video "They sold their souls for Rock and Roll and I'm pretty sure this is where the church is coming from with regards to secular music and how it relates to Christianity. Being a member of a Worship team in a Church is definitely a leadership roll like it or not, I know you know this. When your in front of a group of people in a church doing a specific thing that means your not only declaring or being counted for what you believe in but are functioning as a roll modle for your faith.

Playing in a bar is not a bad thing it's just having the ability to keep your self on the same side of the fence when you go there. Example... Having a Church member walk in to the very bar your playing and and see you throwing a rock fist and playing "Shout at the Devil" sends a pretty confusing message at best. In a sense your are now standing and being counted for everything the church is against. Legalism maybe but in this situation your ether hot or cold according to scripture right?.

I started playing in bars years ago and I will never go back to doing it because of the late and long hours, inconsistencies in with people showing up for practice or gigs, drunken idiots spilling their beer all over and the inevitable missing equipment, I just couldn't deal with it any longer. Up intill recently I played in churches for the past ten years so I do have a frame of reference. For you having played in a very large church for the past 20 years and never done the bar seen I can see your attraction for wanting to do it, playing your favorite tunes you used to listen to in your younger years... the need to satisfy that itch or see what you have been missing. It will be fun for a wile but I suspect you will eventually see it for what it really is recognizing some of the things I have said and probably not want to do it any longer.
 
My .02 for the offering plate ;)

I've been playing P&W over 15 years and have had various club/bar/festival/party gigs over the last 20 years.
It comes down to personal conviction between you and ^ Big guy upstairs.

I played for a church one time where I couldn't tell the difference between them and the local bar/Corporate business. :devilish: I'd rather play secular music now because its fun(nner) and doesn't feel like a downright chore.
 
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