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Guitar with EMG's into a metalzone into a V-Amp - ultimate t0an!Except maybe the Metal Zone?
Guitar with EMG's into a metalzone into a V-Amp - ultimate t0an!Except maybe the Metal Zone?
Amen.Normalizing the input signal for the Axe FX would be a very bad idea. That's a major shortcoming for most other modelers. I sure as hell don't want my Strat with single coils to drive an amp the same way my Les Paul with hot humbuckers does. That would destroy a large part of the character that makes each unique.
I use a 5.1db boost for a Strat to hit the amp model at level as a vintage humbucker does, for example. It works.
There's a way to avoid youtube's compression: make sure your audio doesn't exceed -14dB LUFS (iirc)Amen.
This is what YouTube does to the audio of all videos uploaded. It normalizes them and this compresses them. Then people say "your guitar demo sucks, it sounds so compressed." No, it was fine until YouTube "normalized" it.
I've had demos for TonePack videos (like Brit Rock Royalty #1) where some people go, that sounds good but it's still too compressed! But that's YOUTUBE normalizing the audio - it's not what I'm hearing on my speakers.
I make tutorial videos in Screenflow App (which I like) and when it first came out with multitrack capabilities, it was applying "normalizing" to everything by default with no OFF switch ( they are thinking it's people talking into a mic so why not).
I got the programmers on the line and explained my beautiful recorded guitar tone in the video was being destroyed by this. They got it and found way to turn it off or mitigate it.
So "no" to normalizing input. Just use input TRIM on a pedal or a Filter block o compensate for pickup strength hitting the amp. I use a 5.1db boost for a Strat to hit the amp model at level as a vintage humbucker does, for example. It works.
There's a way to avoid youtube's compression: make sure your audio doesn't exceed -14dB LUFS (iirc)
Well, I've heard mentioned a lot of times that streaming services also apply some limiting (aka compression) when a track is louder than their loudness reference but I don't know more than that, I might be wrong.Oh my, no. YouTube will normalize, not compress, if you exceed their LUFS threshold. Also, this thread has nothing to do with compression.
Well, I've heard mentioned a lot of times that streaming services also apply some limiting (aka compression) when a track is louder than their loudness reference but I don't know more than that, I might be wrong.
Early on, I had a clean boost set up to push my Strat and Tele's level up into humbucker range, to help with switching guitars. The resulting sound was virtually identical to when I built a little FET booster and put it in a Strat years ago. IOW, it sounded like poo, because it drove the amp input hard, but the signal had a lot less mids and more trebles than a humbucker and ended up sounding splattery....This guy gets it.
Early on, I had a clean boost set up to push my Strat and Tele's level up into humbucker range, to help with switching guitars. The resulting sound was virtually identical to when I built a little FET booster and put it in a Strat years ago. IOW, it sounded like poo, because it drove the amp input hard, but the signal had a lot less mids and more trebles than a humbucker and ended up sounding splattery....
How about this...
Preset author places a defaulted compressor before the amp block and spins up the threshold so its not doing anything. With preset complete, author reduces the compressors threshold until a good spank barely bumps the meters. That's the tag.
The user then adjusts the input gain to the compressor until a good spank barely bumps the meters. Bypass the compressor and have at it.
The point was that the Axe responded just like the real life amps did. After that, I started making low and high output versions of my presets. Lately, I have been getting lower output humbucking pickups in the guitars that had hot ones, and adding series/parallel switching for the pickups to drop their output into the single coil range. My cleans and lightly crunchy tones are much better at lower output, and I can bump the output up for a bit more dirt and a more mid-focused sound when I want that.Well, Cliff added the input gain feature for just this purpose, so if you disagree with that, you should probably take it up with him.
Yes. My attempt at compensating for the lower output pickups by adjusting the input's output level was sub-optimal. The Strat and Tele sound suffered when boosted with a flat boost. AB's level booster actually sounds pretty good, but by the time I got his Naked Amps pack last year, I had already started switching things to a lower output level, as I found that that solution worked best for me....Yes, the authenticity vs flexibility issue was discussed several pages back. It’s not an either/or situation. You should be able to have both in a digital modeler. There are pros and cons to both. Neither one is wrong. Nobody is being forced to use the global input gain control. If you don’t use it, the amp responds like the original tube amp. If you do use it, it can be quite useful. Austin Buddy mentioned above he finds it useful to apply a compensation for different guitars. There’s another thread at the moment that is discussing using multiple inputs as a way to apply compensation for different guitars. There are multiple correct viewpoints here.
Well, I've heard mentioned a lot of times that streaming services also apply some limiting (aka compression) when a track is louder than their loudness reference but I don't know more than that, I might be wrong.
It sounds like there was a misunderstanding if somebody told you that, because that's not true. All of the streaming services will normalize, but will not do dynamic compression or limiting, based on the LUFS level. YouTube does data compression of course, but that's unrelated to the loudness. And, none of this is related to the topic of this thread.
The point was that the Axe responded just like the real life amps did. After that, I started making low and high output versions of my presets. Lately, I have been getting lower output humbucking pickups in the guitars that had hot ones, and adding series/parallel switching for the pickups to drop their output into the single coil range. My cleans and lightly crunchy tones are much better at lower output, and I can bump the output up for a bit more dirt and a more mid-focused sound when I want that.
The point I've made in this thread is that the input level adjustment alone may or may not get you very close to the tone the preset maker intended.My example was the Cooper Carter videos. I pointed out that up until that point I had thought many of the high gain presets were junk, they didn't work for me at all. After comparing my sound to the video, I figured out that the issue was simply the input level. Just by boosting my input level using the amp block input trim, I was getting very close the same tone with no other adjustments.
The ability to attach clips on Axe Change is a great idea, and it would actually solve the issue of knowing what the preset maker intended.As it turns out, Fractal gave the tool I needed with the global input trim. But I still wish there was a sound clip library so that I could hear what the preset makers were going for, since many of the presets are so input sensitive.
Related question: For guitar signal volume tuning (after AD conversion), is there any difference between using the following options before the preamp section (other than where they take effect in the signal chain)?
- Global Input Trim
- Amp Input Trim
- Block Output Knobs
ie - is there any difference between increasing global input trim, and increasing the output of the IN1 block by the exact same amount? (Isuspect not, but not totally sure).