FRFR in 412 Enclosure

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AusTexCap

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Anybody know of a FRFR that lives in a 412-esq cab? I don't want to loose the look of a stack onstage but would love to try out a FRFR.
 
Yeah that is a possibility but it would be interesting to know if anybody has built this type of enclosure. The Atomic could pass for a 212 but what about somebody doing it in a 412 enclosure?
 
I've threatened to have an enclosure made of lightweight wood (maybe pine) that resembled the 30x30 Marshall 4x12 cab. I want the look of rock-n-roll with a 4x12 but I love my AXE with FBT for tone. The enclosure wouldn't need a back on it which would lighten things up even more. Put the black elephant tolex on the outside, casters on the bottom and a Marshall logo on the front grill cloth. From the audience perspective it would look like a 4x12 cab...but little would they know they're getting digital direct guitar tone thru FOH :P

Inside it wouldn't have a baffle cause it wouldn't need it (another weight saver)...instead it would just be empty and painted flat black. Then I'd load it with my FBT Verve 12MA. I would anchor the Verve in place by using the "flying points" on the outside of the FBT that would normally be used when the speaker was used in permanent installs.

On the top of the 4x12 enclosure would be a recessed (to protect the knobs and buttons of the rack gear) 6 space rack box with rails. In that would go the AXE Ultra, Furman Power PRO R, Digitech Vocalist Live Pro (yeah I cheat on my backup vocals), and a Peterson StroboRack tuner (still prefer it over the AXE built in tuner).

The internal AC power would be kept all to one side (shown in red in the drawing below). The signal cables would be kept to the other side (shown in yellow). All the internal wires would be clipped and tied in place neatly. For load in and setup all I would do is plug my git into the front of the AXE, plug my midi cable into my pedal (midi shown in green on drawing), plug in my back up vocal mic to Digitech with XLR and plug in AC power from Furman to wall outlet. The sound engineer would get pigtails out of the back...one XLR for FOH guitar...one XLR for backup vocals to FOH. I guess I would have a single 1x4 with holes and grommets for the pigtails. Hell I don't think setup would take 5 minutes since its all wired. Load in might be slightly tough depending on the weight. Let's see...quick math: FBT Verve 12MA = 42 lbs + empty 4x12 enclosure 30 lbs (?) + rack gear 25 lbs...probably would weigh in at around 100 lbs total which is about the weight of any decent 4x12. The casters would help in moving it around but lifting it up and down stairs would suck (need my band mates or stage hands for that).

I've even thought about putting a guitar hanger on each side of the 4x12 so that I could hang my 2 Gretsch Malcolm Young Sig gits w/o needing space eating guitar stands on the stage. And I've also considered having a recessed cup holder put into the top of the 4x12 (actually 2 or 3 or 4 of them) so that I would have someplace to put my beer(s).

My ONLY complaint on the AXE with FBT is the look of it...ghey...that and where the hell do you put the damn thing. I know some guys use keyboard stands etc but IMO, that looks kinda funky. This setup shown in the drawing is exactly my rig minus the fake 4x12 enclosure...I've been putting my SKB rack on the mains (sound engineer doesn't seem to mind) and then the FBT on the floor...but this phony 4x12 would be a better looking way to do things (wish I knew how to work with wood, I'd have already built a proto-type).

A picture says a thousand words...and this is a horrible drawing (I'm no artist)...but kinda gives the idea of what I'm thinking. The dashed lines show when the cables are inside the enclosure (fairly obvious I guess). The purple is vocals, yellow guitar signal, green midi, red is AC power:

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That's an interesting idea. I have an unloaded straight Marshall cab and thought about hiding the 12ma in the back for times I want the stage appearance, it would just about fit. :geek:

I didn't think about installing the rest in the top though. :ugeek:
 
Neat idea but I don't think the 412 cab is going to be deep enough to fit the Verve enclosure inside of it. You could gut the Verve and mount all that in the 412 or better yet use two Verve speaker, crossovers and amps run it in stereo. Plug the top holes leaving a hole big enough for the port's mount the speakers in the bottom holes... voala a huge over sixed 212 self contained FR enclosure. I would make it so the rack gear was removable as to lighten the load when moving. You will also have to fab a hanger bracket for the guitar as the cab is too low to use a stock guitar hanger or swing.

I like the guitar hanger idea I'm a big fan of those. I never did like a guitar stand that was on the ground, to easy to knock over. This box is homemade and actually houses the Axe power conditioner and an ART SLA-2 now and I sold the Peavey power amp and Jackson head.

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Before getting my Ultra, I was in love with my pair of ADA Splitstack loaded with a V30+G12T75 in each one.
They are perfect for live: Guitar cabs look in a vertical 2x12 with inclined plan for the top speaker.

But, while Ultra arrived in my rig, I was searching for a 12" FR speaker in 8 or 16 Ohms, and I just found some 4 Ohms.

Now, I use a pair of Yorkville Y115.

If anybody know a 12" flat speaker @8Ohms, please, share it ;)...
 
Sixstring said:
Neat idea but I don't think the 412 cab is going to be deep enough to fit the Verve enclosure inside of it.
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Right about not being deep enough...I agree that a standard Marshall cab wouldn't have enough space for the Verve; but you probably missed the 13" depth on the top left of my drawing? My idea would require a custom built enclosure, not an empty Marshall cab. By building it custom, the depth could be made to contain the Verve and the wood selection could be chosen for lightweight and not tone. But in the end, having the enclosure covered with Marshall tolex, grill cloth and the Marshall logo would fake out most people...at least from the front.
 
I use 2x12 cab with 2 Fane Sovereign 12-250 tc speakers and this works well.
I asume that 4 of them in a 4x12 cab would also be worth a test.
 
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