FM3 Firmware Version 4.00 beta 1

Great explanation!

Everything should be as simple as possible, but no simpler....

The term "IR" being equated to a speaker cab is "simpler than possible", but it is a frequent oversimplification.

And yet for some of us, who are old school "amp in the room" guys, and who play without
in ears and piped in monitor mixes, that oversimiplification is often all that matters. :)

Sorry if this horse is dead, I am not beating on it. Just giving it a few chest compressions. ;)
 
Quick update: I had zero issues from output 2 at rehearsal last night and I use the "Copy Output 1" option. I can't say whether the volume is relatively lower than Output 1 or lower than it should be, but it was fine. The guy running the mixer didn't have to make any adjustments. I normally turn my output up to about noon on my Axe Fx III, and I think I was around 1 or 2 o'clock using my FM3 with Output 2 last night.

Good for you! My OUT 2 was a no go. Weird how random some of the "bugs" seem to be.
 
I got my Out 2 cranked with the Global EQ 2 gain fader up full.

With a dimed 280 watt power amp.

Through a 4-12 cabinet.
IN MY APARTMENT BEDROOM.

Hahahahahaha

They’ll fix it, I’m not worried.

Haha! Yeah, no worries here. I had to bypass the FM3. Defaulted to
and just played through an amp last night.

Shhhhhhh...... don't tell anyone. ;)
 
A few thoughts on Amps, Speaker Cabs and IR's --

1) IR's seem to redefine amp models to a greater degree
than the amp models are able to redefine IR's.

2) Raw speaker cabs don't seem to redefine real amps in the same way -- or to the same degree.

3) IR's are more defined in tone than a raw speaker cab.

4) An IR is only one aspect of a speaker cab "captured" from a specific position.

5) An IR is more like a profile of a speaker cab, than a model.
An IR captures a speaker cab's sound from a particular position, or setting.

6) An IR also brings its own added color from the mic and signal chain.

7) An IR is simply a more particular sound,
more focused and more defined, than a raw speaker cabinet.

I think IR's play such a big part in defining a sound,
because an IR actually is a more defined, and more defining, sound
than a raw speaker cabinet itself.

Having the right speakers in the right cab
guarantees a certain sound in a physical speaker cab.

However, finding IR's of the same cab and speakers does no such thing.

We think IR's are more similar to speaker cabs than they actually are.

IR's are a much more focused, and much more narrowly defined, tone
than a raw speaker cab in a room.

I think that is why it surprises us that an IR
can be such a strong factor in defining a sound.

We equate IR's to speaker cabs in the wild.
But, that is a false equation.

A speaker cab is still open to interpretation,
while an IR is a more particular,
and more narrowly defined snapshot, or profile, of a speaker cab.
I find cab sims or real cabs are overall the great equalizer that limits how different two amps can sound. Like if I run my Victory or Bogner through the same real cab, they do sound different but there's also definite similarities compared to running them through different cabs.

That's why for me having 200+ amp models with a real cab is pretty pointless because that variety does not give me more than subtler flavor differences unless the amp models differ drastically (e.g. Fender vs Marshall). A single amp with a few channels and effective enough EQ can already do a whole ton in that context.

So for modelers cab sims are nice because you can have that amp+cab variety.
 
Haha! Yeah, no worries here. I had to bypass the FM3. Defaulted to
and just played through an amp last night.

Shhhhhhh...... don't tell
Haha! Yeah, no worries here. I had to bypass the FM3. Defaulted to
and just played through an amp last night.

Shhhhhhh...... don't tell anyone. ;)
To put a perspective on it, normally the Global EQ is unused, the power amp is still dimed, but my Out 2 is between 8-10 o’clock depending on the time of day, and if my wife’s watching something in the other room.

For gigs my Out 2 is usually between 1-2 o’clock.
 
To put a perspective on it, normally the Global EQ is unused, the power amp is still dimed, but my Out 2 is between 8-10 o’clock depending on the time of day, and if my wife’s watching something in the other room.

For gigs my Out 2 is usually between 1-2 o’clock.

Yup. 12:00 is about where I had been living on Out 2 prior to Cyugnus beta.

Still seems odd that "bugs" can be so hit or miss.
 
Also if you use Out 2 into the FX Loop of a tube amp and cab,
like I have been doing, it serves as the master/only volume control.
 
I'll use Output 1 to FOH and my frfr, my monitor has a peq built in. Should be safe for the weekend shows.
 
Quick update: I had zero issues from output 2 at rehearsal last night and I use the "Copy Output 1" option. I can't say whether the volume is relatively lower than Output 1 or lower than it should be, but it was fine. The guy running the mixer didn't have to make any adjustments. I normally turn my output up to about noon on my Axe Fx III, and I think I was around 1 or 2 o'clock using my FM3 with Output 2 last night.
You were using Out2 to the PA and the sound guy didn’t tweak the input gain a little? For many of us using out2 to frfr, there’s a definite difference.

this has me thinking tho...
I suppose a quick workaround could be to bring a DI for out2 to FOH where input gain can be adjusted at the board, and then maybe run out1 to the FRFR.
Of course, now you need a DI, but in a pinch...
 
Yup. 12:00 is about where I had been living on Out 2 prior to Cyugnus beta.

Still seems odd that "bugs" can be so hit or miss.
I was reading through the manual last night before bed to familiarize myself more with gain management. The manual stated that OUT 2 at full is unity gain. I had run my HX stomp that way too... and managed the gain internally.

When Cygnus arrived, my presets were clipping... so I ended up padding the output to 18db and leaving the knob all the way.

I guess we’ll see how/if they decide to remedy this in beta 2.

Sean Meredith-Jones
 
And yet for some of us, who are old school "amp in the room" guys, and who play without
in ears and piped in monitor mixes, that oversimiplification is often all that matters. :)

Sorry if this horse is dead, I am not beating on it. Just giving it a few chest compressions. ;)
Pretty much makes my point (and @Postretro's), though, which was:
IRs != cabs.

Re: the horse:
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