FM3 Firmware Version 4.00 beta 1

badmagick said:
You were using Out2 to the PA and the sound guy didn’t tweak the input gain a little?
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Correct. I just pulled my FM3 out of my gig bag and it looks like (assuming it didn't get moved during transit) the output knob is between 2 and 3 o'clock. So it's a little louder than I'd normally have my Output 1 on my Axe Fx III, but no drastically different, like I was expecting based on some of these comments. I'm gonna pop on over and see if it's addressed in the beta 2.
 
Joe Bfstplk said:
Pretty much makes my point (and @Postretro's), though, which was:
IRs != cabs.

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Not all of us want a direct to DAW/producer-in-a-box sound out of our gear.
Certainly not in EVERY situation or environment.

It's kind of interesting that some have noted that there was almost a "too polished"
nature to current amp modeling when paired with the latest IRS, and that was not always
a net positive. I even seem to recall Cliff here trying to "capture" some of that rawness in
the latest iteration of the Fractal firmware.

What the latest and greatest IRs giveth Cygnus taketh away.

Maybe. :)
 
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Ugly Bunny said:
Correct. I just pulled my FM3 out of my gig bag and it looks like (assuming it didn't get moved during transit) the output knob is between 2 and 3 o'clock. So it's a little louder than I'd normally have my Output 1 on my Axe Fx III, but no drastically different, like I was expecting based on some of these comments. I'm gonna pop on over and see if it's addressed in the beta 2.
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Fixed it here.
 
Jeggz said:
Not when using the Copy 1 function.
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la noise said:
Also if you use Out 2 into the FX Loop of a tube amp and cab,
like I have been doing, it serves as the master/only volume control.
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badmagick said:
I use an frfr on each side of the stage and my out2 knob serves as my stage volume control. Everyone has their own way, but for me, having that control right ay my feet is pretty important...
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You are still wrong IMO...

it’s a well known fact (and in the manual!) that Out2 will only provide Unity Gain if the dial is maxed out - Copy 1 or whatever is irrelevant here - Out1 will actually push past the point of Unity Gain and can quite easily overload an input.

Once you drop under max and under Unity Gain on that dial it will drop off pretty quick as the reduction in db that you are introducing is not linear.
 
smj said:
I was reading through the manual last night before bed to familiarize myself more with gain management. The manual stated that OUT 2 at full is unity gain. I had run my HX stomp that way too... and managed the gain internally.
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Not when using Copy Output 1...
 
WelshLukather said:
it’s a well known fact (and in the manual!) that Out2 will only provide Unity Gain if the dial is maxed out - Copy 1 or whatever is irrelevant here - Out1 will actually push past the point of Unity Gain and can quite easily overload an input.
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Not correct. The behavior is different when using Copy Output 1.

Also, pretty sure the current manual is well outdated for FM3. It's last update is for firmware 1.x... things have changed ;)
 
WelshLukather said:
You are still wrong IMO...
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Meh.... I don’t believe it’s wrong. Everyone’s use case will be different. Yes, it’s in the manual that out2 maxed is unity. If that’s what you need, fine. But if it wasn’t a proper use for the out2 knob to control level, why bother even having it? my way works great for me. Anyway, the point seems moot as it sounds like the out2 issue is resolved.
 
Deadpool_25 said:
I believe @la noise ’s point is that the amp model selection has a greater impact on the tone than the IR. I happen to agree with that. It’s just an opinion either way.

I suppose it’s probably scientifically measurable but that’d be silly as it’s incredibly unimportant. The fact is that the IR does have a major effect on the tone. Whether that effect is more, less, or the same amount as the amp model is of zero consequence for all practical purposes. The takeaway should just be, “The IR can have a huge effect on your tone. Don’t neglect it when building presets.”
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when I was a tube only guy, I’d have 2, sometimes 3 cabs on hand. I used to get frustrated that I couldn’t get my tube amps to sound the same as the YouTube videos,

it wasn’t until I entered the world of IRs that I figured out how much of a role the speaker plays. The improper speaker can completely neuter a great sounding amp.

so it’s more important to have a well built amp. A speaker can’t make a poorly designed amp sound better. But now I have much more appreciation for getting the speaker correct than I did before.
 
mikeyg said:
The improper speaker can completely neuter a great sounding amp.
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Case in point - the AxeFx3 factory preset for the Suhr Badger 18 sounds ok. Swap in an AC30 2x12 and the matching impedance curve, and it wakes right up, jumping up onto my list of favorite amp models....

Been making my way through Bank A and playing them a bit today, tweaking when needed, and adding various amps to my amp library. Lotsa surprising amps getting added in there with this new firmware....
 
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