Wish Dimebag Darrell Rig

Paulo Remigio said:
Check this out: https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/dimebag-darrell-patch-pantera.125116/
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I have no choice but to re-hash this because it is tragic that we do not ee those randalls modelled. The circuit is not hard to find. Why wouldn't this company wish to try to replicate some gear of the most natural player that has ever played this instrument? The guy was so special of a player that you CANNOT find a single error in any video of playing by that guy on the entire internet. He was a machine and probably from another world. I find it unacceptable that his stuff has not had any models by this company.

And yes I checked out that sound and it's not even close. For anybody who is actually interested in this topic, this video attached at the bottom of this is one that finally explains matters. He is the only person on the entire internet that has a tutorial on how to get the sound. Nobody else knows how. And Old's attempt is not even close either.

I do not understand why Fractal does not want to model that Randall amp. It is an extremely amazing amp. The RG100HT, ES and Century are absolute must amps to have modeled.

 
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I'm realizing more and more that that RG100HT rack unit is probably the best piece of equipment that's ever been released in this entire space. Something about that tone sounding so heavy duty grade that even crowbar used it for a while there. Very distinct mids.

I'm also starting to realize that some people just don't want anything to do with it based on the fact that it's main user said some stuff that was wrong. But who hasn't? Actions speak louder than words anyways. I look to that first and foremost. And this amp is real action. But probably has something very difficult to copy going on in that circuit.
but that thing is so good you can run parallel cleans on channel 2!

can we at least get a tone stack for the JMP-1 model that sounds similar? Because that thing is basically solid state.

but obviously it would be better to get the Randall type of dirt.
 
People have been asking for years lol I don’t think it’s going to happen unfortunately. It would be amazing to have the RG or a Century. That would be an instant upgrade to the III for me.
 
IMO, this thread needs a spinoff into the presets room to discuss building this rig.

Most of the ask here is about getting a Randall amp in the box, but I'm not convinced that's the secret sauce. It would be convenient to have and match Dime's tone more easily by just approximating knobs on the box. But the core assertion that's made with the request is that we can't achieve the Randall tone with existing amps in the box. I remain unconvinced, but I'm not an expert.

However, there's more to his tone than just matching the preamp, amp, and loop EQ. Cabinets are a big one, but also his attack is a unique part of his sound. What kind of gate or input settings can help achieve that attack? Did Pantera use compression in post production that we can approximate in the Axe? What about the Enhancer or other doubler methods to simulate the multitracking? These are all core parts of Dime's tone that need to be taken into account. The amp is just one variable.
 
kypen said:
IMO, this thread needs a spinoff into the presets room to discuss building this rig.

Most of the ask here is about getting a Randall amp in the box, but I'm not convinced that's the secret sauce. It would be convenient to have and match Dime's tone more easily by just approximating knobs on the box. But the core assertion that's made with the request is that we can't achieve the Randall tone with existing amps in the box. I remain unconvinced, but I'm not an expert.

However, there's more to his tone than just matching the preamp, amp, and loop EQ. Cabinets are a big one, but also his attack is a unique part of his sound. What kind of gate or input settings can help achieve that attack? Did Pantera use compression in post production that we can approximate in the Axe? What about the Enhancer or other doubler methods to simulate the multitracking? These are all core parts of Dime's tone that need to be taken into account. The amp is just one variable.
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The amp may be just one variable but getting the circuit modeled is a more natural way to have the sound because at the moment the main way people have been replicating it is with EQ curves which is a different type of treatment than the modeling of the interaction of specific filters and things like that. The amp was very integral. Otherwise what you are doing is saying that you can get the Brit tone stack with a Mesa which is just not possible. Amp sounds and audio Sonics around them are a lot more complicated and intricately refined than you think.
And yes the cab is a huge factor too.
 
I want to say about the important feature of Solid State AMP, on the example of Randall RG100, Warhead. He has two ways to use Rhythm and Lead are two different sounds.
If the rhythm sound can still be sampled, then with Lead - trouble!

You will not be able to sampling on a tube amplifier that type of distortion with a very strong overload on Lead. The tone that turns out if you stick the Boss DS-1 in the Randall RG100 or Warhead has a unique timbre. Many may not like how Solid State Distortion sounds on the rhythm, but on Lead it has special purity, compression, Sustain and feedback, a special vocal charm. I was able to come close to this sound on Axe FX3, but this is not right.In general,

Tube will not give this characteristic of the Solid state components of the overload method. I hope something RG100 or Warhead will appear in FRACTAL processors.

Solid state vocal lead
 
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RackAddict said:
I have no choice but to re-hash this because it is tragic that we do not ee those randalls modelled. The circuit is not hard to find. Why wouldn't this company wish to try to replicate some gear of the most natural player that has ever played this instrument? The guy was so special of a player that you CANNOT find a single error in any video of playing by that guy on the entire internet. He was a machine and probably from another world. I find it unacceptable that his stuff has not had any models by this company.

And yes I checked out that sound and it's not even close. For anybody who is actually interested in this topic, this video attached at the bottom of this is one that finally explains matters. He is the only person on the entire internet that has a tutorial on how to get the sound. Nobody else knows how. And Old's attempt is not even close either.

I do not understand why Fractal does not want to model that Randall amp. It is an extremely amazing amp. The RG100HT, ES and Century are absolute must amps to have modeled.

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I've mentioned this before - I have the 2 channel (rack mount) version of the RG100. Looks just like the one in the vid....but 2 rows of knobs.
I'm more than happy to let Fractal borrow it, to model it.
 
I wonder how necessary it is for Fractal to have the device if it's solid state. I'd assume there'd be less variance among transistors than tube-based circuits? Maybe the schematic could be enough? Not my core competency, so just asking/speculating...
 
It's a two gain stage JFET clipper, alone it sounds like absolute shit, but push and tighten it with a parametric eq and you're half-way there.
Then you have to have the right Cab with the right Jaguar (Eminence) speakers and of course Dimebag's hands and playing technique.
Edit: Oh and a few nice vintage Sennheiser MD421 mics to record that rig.
 
[Sandman] said:
For all fans of Dimebag Darrell, I have a pack of Ir cabinets for Jaguar Speaker.
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Thanks for sharing, Sandman. I'm using @2112's settings for a 2203 with a GEQ pre and 7-band in-amp post EQ with your shared cabs. Attached is the preset and it sounds damn close. Still a bit dark and lacking a bit of punch, but a good start.
 

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kypen said:
Thanks for sharing, Sandman. I'm using @2112's settings for a 2203 with a GEQ pre and 7-band in-amp post EQ with your shared cabs. Attached is the preset and it sounds damn close. Still a bit dark and lacking a bit of punch, but a good start.
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If we have a Randall RG100ES and a Randall Warhead X2 along with these irs it will be possible to recreate the tone of the Dimebag Darrell very accurately.
 
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