Axe-Fx III Firmware 31.02 Release

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SpecRacer said:
I like the idea, but I think it's even more complicated than you're imagining. I think you'd need to establish a reference mic, reference mic placement and reference speaker for each amp, and those would have to be available for every model in the Fractal ecosystem so comparisons are as "apples to apples" as possible.
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Yeah you are right!
 
Brewce said:
The amp is the amp. What makes you think a fw update changes the actual amp? :oops:
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I think Burgs just posted some updated Dumble patches in resposne to someone saying that they had downloaded his original patches and that they didn't sound right. I am paraphrasing from memory and could be wrong. I have several packs I have purchased from vendors and they seem to always be trying to keep up with the latest firmware in terms of the changes to the sound (maybe that is a better way of saying it than saying the amp has changed?) A possible solution, from the outside, is that the Axe reads the firmware the patch was made on. But based on the description of the AM4 having accurate tones that match the originals (which I only read after my original post) it may be that the issue has been addressed.
 
App12 said:
Cliff said compare real amps to what Fractal provides but we don't have the amps so it is kinda impossible to do as two amps can sound different. But was just reading the https://www.fractalaudio.com/am4/ page: "Accurate Amp Modeling" and "familiar amp controls behave like the originals". If what we have is accurate to the amps and behaves like them, then it is done! But how can it be accurate but at the same time have these cumulative sound changes? I would like to know what the amp they have sounds likes. I would hope that they pull them out of storage for each update to make sure that they can compare what they are releasing to what they sound like so don't think that would be the challenge. Things like different guitars, playing style etc. would be more of a complicating factor.
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App12 said:
but we don't have the amps so it is kinda impossible toI would like to know what the amp they have sounds likes.
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But you have a world class emulation of those amps in your Fractal unit, don’t you?

I bet at this point the vast majority of users would not hear a difference anyway. Also pointing out that if the developer can decide which clips to play, it’s certain that those clips will be something that the model can deal with to be able to say ”it sounds like the real thing”.

Btw I don’t think any other company is providing clips comparing their emulation to the original amp. And there is a simple reason for that.
 
Cliff's quest to align modeling with the real thing aside, personally I don't get the nitpicking of accuracy of the real amp amongst mere mortals...mostly bedroom warriors. It really smacks of cork sniffing wankery IMHO.

The real pro's get on here and show what they can do with the AxeFx and I never here them saying anything about how much 'more accurate' this could be. I'm not talking about those who very occasionally have found genuine oversights by Cliff and pointed them out.

But to expect Cliff to cater to the whims of thousands of onlookers is unreasonable and frankly is just not going to happen.
Ones time would be far better spent on playing the guitar and leave Cliff to do what he does.
That's what the pro's do.
 
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App12 said:
I would like to know what the amp they have sounds likes. I would hope that they pull them out of storage for each update to make sure that they can compare what they are releasing to what they sound like so don't think that would be the challenge.
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That would be hundreds of hours of additional labor — for each firmware update. How long are you willing to delay a firmware release to make that happen?

Meanwhile, Fractal has developed tons of data on how each individual amp performs. That's a great reference for accuracy, without having to drag out 300 amps to get the same measurements that they already have. :)
 
App12 said:
I agree. Accuracy is accuracy. Maybe the modeling from the am4 which is "accurate amp modeling" and "behaves like the originals" is trickling down to AFIII and that would explain the differences? And now that they have it, it will not change. To your point, I have not updated the firmware but it does mean that you don't get the new effects (if you need them) and if you do, you do have to potentially rework a lot of your presets so I would personally disagree that it "make sense".
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You realize this is you saying “i dont believe cliff” right?
 
App12 said:
But how can it be accurate but at the same time have these cumulative sound changes?
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Just my 2cents, 'accurate' can mean the sound is indistinguishable to the human ear in a blind test. Microscopic technical differences may exist, which FAS consistently works to minimize them. We could debate the semantics of accuracy, but for all practical purposes, kinda crazy not to trust the experts at FAS.
 
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