Axe-Fx III Firmware 31.01 Beta

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The way I understand it, an amp topology has a certain set of components in the signal path. Not every parameter for those components is adjustable in the physical amp, so the "ideal" tab lets you tweak the values that are available for that specific set of components. But it has a limit, because you can't tweak a value for a component that's just not included in the amp topology / schematic.
 
Pardon my ignorance, and this is a legit question, but shouldn’t the "Ideal" tab/page on the units work in conjunction with the amp it is supposed to model?

Or put another way, isn’t the "Ideal" tab/page there to "add" something to an amp that it doesn’t have in the real world? Like a Fender Reverb not having a Fat switch in the real world but is "given" one through the Axe Fx virtual world?

I rarely to never use the "Ideal" page or tab you see so I have never mocked around with the settings there but it was my impression that using "Ideal" you could add things to an amp that it doesn’t really have.

I’m a little confused 😊
That's the way they used to work. I believe it changed around FW 16 when the Cygnus amp modeling was implemented so it stands to reason that some amp model circuits won't allow the use of some of the Ideal parameters. We're now on FW 31 so it's been this way for quite awhile. Most have learned to accept it, continuing to complain about it might just get the Ideal page removed altogether which would not be ideal for a lot of us.
 
I think I may have found a BUG... Please correct me if I'm wrong!
On the amp block (USING THE NEW "Deluxe 6G3" MODEL), ideal page, either on the unit or editor:
Neither the "Fat" or "Bright" switches, nor the "Bright Cap" value have any apparent effect on the sound of the amp.
(The "Cut" switch HAS an immediate and pronounced effect)
I'm just accustomed to those parameters have a dramatic effect on the sound no matter what amp is used.

Thanks!
The Fat switch controls the value of a capacitor in the tone stack. The 6G3 does not have a tone stack so the switch is not applicable.

The Bright switch and Bright cap control the value of a capacitor across the Drive pot. The 6G3 does not have a conventional drive circuit so these are not applicable.
 
The Fat switch controls the value of a capacitor in the tone stack. The 6G3 does not have a tone stack so the switch is not applicable.

The Bright switch and Bright cap control the value of a capacitor across the Drive pot. The 6G3 does not have a conventional drive circuit so these are not applicable.
Does that philosophy hold true for all the amp models? If it’s not in the amp it’s not in the model?

I know you guys strive for accuracy and authenticity (and boy do you nail it) so I always assumed that would be the case.

But I know what Felix Unger had to say about ‘assume’.
 
Does that philosophy hold true for all the amp models? If it’s not in the amp it’s not in the model?
That's not quite the philosophy. :)

The Ideal page contains lots of stuff that isn't in the original amp. That's what it's there for.

But the Fat switch is a different case. It tweaks a capacitor in the tone stack. But the 6G3 doesn't even have a tone stack. So the only way to put a Fat switch in the 6C3 is to give it a tone stack. And that would fundamentally change the tone of the amp. It wouldn't be accurate anymore. So the 6C3 doesn't get a Fat switch.
 
That's not quite the philosophy. :)

The Ideal page contains lots of stuff that isn't in the original amp. That's what it's there for.

But the Fat switch is a different case. It tweaks a capacitor in the tone stack. But the 6G3 doesn't even have a tone stack. So the only way to put a Fat switch in the 6C3 is to give it a tone stack. And that would fundamentally change the tone of the amp. It wouldn't be accurate anymore. So the 6C3 doesn't get a Fat switch.
OK… This is the first answer that has actually brought clarification to this… Thank you.
 
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