Axe-Fx III Firmware 31.00 Public Beta #2

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danwei said:
What happens if I use a single mic and back it off? Will this now increase latency?
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I expect it'll clip off the leading delay (so no difference to having auto-delay off in that case). Even with the 2 mic example above with auto-delay on, if slot1 distance=24cm and slot2 distance=8cm, From the explanations given I'd expect it'll clip off 8cm worth of leading delay on both slot1 and 2.
 
Before testing the "Auto-delay" I noticed my preset sounded nicer right out of the box. Likely those preamp and power amp changes, so great job as always!

The "auto-delay" is something I've secretly wanted for some time now, but was surprised to see!

I think though now that we have it, can we please get a polarity switch for each slot?

I find it indefinitely easier to find a "bad" tone moving the mics around and then flip the phase and have something nice. Right now that requires me to pan each slot hard L and R, then add a Filter block with the phase flipped on one side and the pans centered. When I'm done I have to turn it off and recenter the cab slots. Would be much easier to if we had a polarity switch for each slot.
 
FractalAudio said:
Going forward Auto Delay will be ON by default.
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FractalAudio said:
I won't affect existing presets. It's turned OFF for existing presets.
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I see the effect of toggling Auto Delay when I look in the align tab. Very nice.

But, when creating new presets, either in Edit, or from the front panel still shows Auto delay is off by default. Even using Preset > Clear in Edit then saving it still results in it being off when I created a preset.
 
Greg Ferguson said:
I see the effect of toggling Auto Delay when I look in the align tab. Very nice.

But, when creating new presets, either in Edit, or from the front panel still shows Auto delay is off by default. Even using Preset > Clear in Edit then saving it still results in it being off when I created a preset.
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Cliff mentioned that Axe-Edit will require a update on page 2. I wonder if that is what is needing for your situation?
 
I still can't figure out the purpose of this new "auto delay" function. If the goal is to enhance the stereo field, wouldn't it be more practical to use the enhancer?
 
Greg Ferguson said:
I see the effect of toggling Auto Delay when I look in the align tab. Very nice.

But, when creating new presets, either in Edit, or from the front panel still shows Auto delay is off by default. Even using Preset > Clear in Edit then saving it still results in it being off when I created a preset.
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You must have a different definition of going forward than I do.
 
OK. I understand, then, that its purpose is to replicate what happens in the real world regarding the added delay based on the microphone's distance from the speaker. This is an effect that, in 99% of cases, is avoided or compensated for during editing.
If we want to avoid adding this realism, we simply leave the auto-delay turned off.
 
my ears tell me "leave the Auto-Delay on".. it changes the sound in a very subtle yet pleasing way.. but it's hard to explain.. Cliff said that once Axe-Edit is updated the Auto-Delay default setting will be "on" so that's his stamp of approval.. time to sit back and enjoy all the lovely guitar noises I can make with my AF3 & guitar.
 
tripulante.db said:
OK. I understand, then, that its purpose is to replicate what happens in the real world regarding the added delay based on the microphone's distance from the speaker. This is an effect that, in 99% of cases, is avoided or compensated for during editing.
If we want to avoid adding this realism, we simply leave the auto-delay turned off.
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No.

It's like this:
When you are recording an amp in the studio you put two or more mics on the speaker. You then experiment with the placement and the distance of those mics as well as the mix at the board. Sometimes you'll record each mic to it's own track, sometimes you'll just record the mix.

The differing distances of the mics changes the tone because the arrival time at the mics is different which causes constructive and destructive interference.

Going forward this new parameter will be called "Auto-Align" and default to OFF (the logic will be inverted compared to Auto-Delay). When Auto-Align is ON the behavior will be like pre-31.xx firmware and the IRs will be automatically aligned. When Auto-Align is OFF (== Auto-Delay ON) the IRs will NOT be automatically aligned and will be shifted in time according to the distance of the mic.

With Auto-Align OFF the experience will be an "analog" one and you'll get "phasing" as you change the distance of the mics relative to each other. If you want a more "digital" experience set Auto-Align to ON which removes the phasing.
 
BobbyLane99 said:
my ears tell me "leave the Auto-Delay on".. it changes the sound in a very subtle yet pleasing way.
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Are you using multiple dynacab slots in a cab block with varying mic distance settings? If not, afaiu, auto-delay on or off should not make any difference.
 
Loving the Auto-Delay functionality....thank you.

Two observations/questions:

1/ Only works with DynaCabs not Legacy, correct? Makes sense as only DynaCabs have distance as a variable.
2/ Currently AXEEdit (I know it's not updated yet) shows "Distance" both in the Cab Select tab, and in the align tab which is confusing. On the front panel we get "Distance" in the Cab Select tab and "Delay" in Align Tab....which makes sense. I presume this will be how the nomenclature works in AXEEdit as well once updated?

+1 on the phase invert per slot.

Thanks again for the endless pursuit.....
 
sprint said:
Are you using multiple dynacab slots in a cab block with varying mic distance settings? If not, afaiu, auto-delay on or off should not make any difference.
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I'm using Preset 0156 Fremen's 5153 All-In-One.. one of my favorite presets.. when I go to the hardware unit and switch the Auto-Delay On and Off I can decide which sounds better to my ears.. and there is definitely a difference.. that's it..

according to Cliff's last comment Auto-Delay will be renamed to Auto-Align.. and the role of On/Off will be reversed.. so I'll be leaving my Auto-Align in the default Off position once we get the Axe-Edit updated.. until then I'll be leaving Auto-Delay in the On position. ;)
 
FractalAudio said:
No.

It's like this:
When you are recording an amp in the studio you put two or more mics on the speaker. You then experiment with the placement and the distance of those mics as well as the mix at the board. Sometimes you'll record each mic to it's own track, sometimes you'll just record the mix.

The differing distances of the mics changes the tone because the arrival time at the mics is different which causes constructive and destructive interference.

Going forward this new parameter will be called "Auto-Align" and default to OFF (the logic will be inverted compared to Auto-Delay). When Auto-Align is ON the behavior will be like pre-31.xx firmware and the IRs will be automatically aligned. When Auto-Align is OFF (== Auto-Delay ON) the IRs will NOT be automatically aligned and will be shifted in time according to the distance of the mic.

With Auto-Align OFF the experience will be an "analog" one and you'll get "phasing" as you change the distance of the mics relative to each other. If you want a more "digital" experience set Auto-Align to ON which removes the phasing.
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Thanks Cliff! Super clear, and I think it's a great idea that the approach changes in the opposite direction with "Automatic Alignment".
 
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