Axe-Fx III Firmware 31.00 Public Beta #2

[BROCKSTAR]

The Rotation parameter determines how rapidly the echoes rotates. With Rotation at 100% the echoes will rotate 180 degrees each time (front, back, front, etc). At 50% the echoes will rotate 90 degrees (front, right, back, left, front, etc.). Negative values will cause the echoes to rotate in the opposite direction.

I see what you did there

 

[biggness]

You'd be surprised at how much humans can accomplish if they actually work instead of talk (or look at their phones).

I idolize guys like Tesla, Edison, da Vinci, et. al. These guys accomplished so much in their lives. I look around at today's humans and it's just "blah, blah, blah". Talk is cheap.

I agree. And in the same vein, I think Axe Edit is a huuuuuuuuuuuge benefit to us, but also a curse to just playing your guitar. My chops have improved significantly since I’ve been disciplined by limiting myself to one “Axe Edit Day” each week.

 

[jin1995x]

I idolize guys like Tesla, Edison, da Vinci, et. al. These guys accomplished so much in their lives. I look around at today's humans and it's just "blah, blah, blah". Talk is cheap.

Interesting that you idolize tesla and edison both . Absolutely true the whole tik-tok reels/ shorts and lowering attention spans of everybody is just shit. Plus everywhere is excessive marketing and fake pr without actual substance but just riding the narrative and optics is sad.

That being said thank you once again for the great dedication you have towards this product, makes it a joy to be a fractal user.

 

[madmarcus1960]

You'd be surprised at how much humans can accomplish if they actually work instead of talk (or look at their phones).

I idolize guys like Tesla, Edison, da Vinci, et. al. These guys accomplished so much in their lives. I look around at today's humans and it's just "blah, blah, blah". Talk is cheap.

I'm in NH like you, work at BAE systems. You are 100% accurate in this statement. Which is why I choose to work weekends w/no MGMT or other distractions. As a grown up, I take pride in getting my sh*t done and right.
Thanks for being wired the way you are, I get it!

 

[ApocalypticKatana]

using a 5150 iii red channel

amp feels more bouncy/reactive

I can definitely hear more of the upper harmonics (you might want to adjust treble/presence a touch down)

wonder what constitutes a new firmware name+version , because I feel this is cygnus X-4

 

[Darrin66]

Do you have to reselect the preset after restarting the AXEFX for the sound to be as desired? Does the preset always have to be reloaded?
After that, the SLP sounds fantastic. Less bassy. THANK YOU!

Solved: https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/axe-fx-iii-firmware-31-00-public-beta-2.216600/post-2723654

Less bassy, was hoping to hear that.

 

[TheRedDevil]

Less bassy, was hoping to hear that.

But just without Auto Delay for my preset. In future Auto Delay shall always be activated for new presets, mh.
https://forum.fractalaudio.com/thre...ive-sound-with-axe-fx-iii.199932/post-2492360

 

[rodzimguitar68]

Just updated to beta 1 at midnight.

 

[Domct203]

Just updated to beta 1 at midnight.

I didn’t even get the chance, went right to Beta 2.

 

[Whizzinby]

Casual Saturday evening FW update

 

[eric12]

Thanks for the update! Hopefully will try it tonight.

Not sure that I understand the auto delay. I know that it was asked here before but can you explain the reason? Maybe I missed something.
What's the difference between cab delay and just latency? Why would we want to have it as default?

 

[KFF]

Thanks for the update! Hopefully will try it tonight.

Not sure that I understand the auto delay. I know that it was asked here before but can you explain the reason? Maybe I missed something.
What's the difference between cab delay and just latency? Why would we want to have it as default?

Pretty good rundown in thread.

 

[Thenewexhibit]

Yeah, but it does not happen when Auto Delay is disabled.
I'm probably missing something here.

To my understanding, it’s like the haas effect. So if one of them happens sooner than the other, your ear will gravitate to the first one, hence shifting the stereo field. But when they are automatically aligned, you won’t hear that (at least not from a timing standpoint) because they happen at the same time. Hopefully I’m speaking into what you’re talking about and not muddying the waters.

 

[jimmynorrisjr]

Man, public beta one sounded better in some ways to he older fw but needed a tweak on existing sounds to work. This beta sounds incredible and feels great under the fingers. A slight tweak to mic settings in cab lab and it sounds better than ever. Holy wow

 

[drw1304]

Thank you Cliff, sounds amazing. And maybe a placebo effect but it does feel better under the fingers.

Cheers

 

[guitarobert]

I think the Cab block Auto Delay is a good feature, and is good to have turned on by default. This should make the mic positions be more accurate to real-world usage when multiple mics are involved.

There are two main impacts to consider caused by a mic's location when more than one mic is involved. One is each mic's frequency response. We are all familiar with different mic types having different frequency responses at the same location, as well as a frequency response that varies for a given mic as it is moved to a different location.

The other is the time delay. Although time delay isn't the main factor itself, when we're talking about distances between microphones. The bigger impact of relative time delay differences is the phase response difference between the two microphones.

Phase has a big impact but is not as intuitive to measure and visualize. And it doesn't matter much at all for a single microphone, but makes a huge impact when more than one microphone is involved.

Across all frequencies of the spectrum the waveforms will be at different phases when the mic is at different distances from the speaker. This plays heavily into how two microphones mix with each other. We often call it comb filtering, but it is more nuanced than that. To cut to the point, by including the time delay for a given distance, the phase response should be more accurate to real-world. This will correlate better to how we experience placing mic A at one location and mic B at another location and mixing both of them together.

In other words, now the phase response of mics relative to each other will better match what would be experienced in the real world.

And there's nothing wrong with keeping Auto Delay turned off. It's an ideal that can't be reached in the real world. Transients should be "perfect" in terms of everything being aligned. But having Auto Delay turned on should sound more realistic when compared to how two or more mics sound when placed at the same locations in reality. The great thing is we have the capability to adjust all of it.

 

[sprint]

To my understanding, it’s like the haas effect. So if one of them happens sooner than the other, your ear will gravitate to the first one, hence shifting the stereo field. But when they are automatically aligned, you won’t hear that (at least not from a timing standpoint) because they happen at the same time. Hopefully I’m speaking into what you’re talking about and not muddying the waters.

Actually, I do hear a difference in L/R separation with auto-delay ON.

If I set up 2 identical dynacab slots hard panned L/R both with distance=0, then:

• With Auto-Delay OFF and changing slot1 (L) distance from 0 to 24cm: In the Align tab, I see the slot1 (L) curve change shape without any shift. I hear a tonal change on the left side only when isolating L/R, and, listening to both L+R, I hear a tonal change and a moderate change in L/R separation.
• With Auto-Delay ON and changing slot1 (L) distance from 0 to 24cm: In the Align tab, I see the slot1 (L) curve change shape AND I see the slot1 (L) curve shift 0.7ms. I hear a tonal change on the left side only when isolating L/R, and, listening to both L+R, I hear a tonal change and a more pronounced L/R separation than with slot1 distance at 24cm and Auto-Delay OFF.

Seems to make sense according to what's explained above but maybe I still misunderstand something.

Edit: As mentioned below, collapsing to mono (centre panned cab slots as when micing a single speaker) requires attention to possible comb filter / phase issues.

 

[Thenewexhibit]

Actually, I do hear a difference in L/R separation with auto-delay ON.

If I set up 2 identical dynacab slots hard panned L/R both with distance=0, then:

• With Auto-Delay OFF and changing slot1 (L) distance from 0 to 24cm: In the Align tab, I see the slot1 (L) curve change shape without any shift. I hear a tonal change on the left side only when isolating L/R, and, listening to both L+R, I hear a tonal change and a moderate change in L/R separation.
• With Auto-Delay ON and changing slot1 (L) distance from 0 to 24cm: In the Align tab, I see the slot1 (L) curve change shape AND I see the slot1 (L) curve shift 0.7ms. I hear a tonal change on the left side only when isolating L/R, and, listening to both L+R, I hear a tonal change and a more pronounced L/R separation than with slot1 distance at 24cm and Auto-Delay OFF.

Seems to make sense according to what's explained above but maybe I still misunderstand something.

Definitely! That’s that time delay difference reaching your ears at different times, so it creates more width, but you can only get away with it so much that when collapsing to mono, it can comb filter and have really noticeable phase cancellations at more extreme settings.

 

[sprint]

Definitely! That’s that time delay difference reaching your ears at different times, so it creates more width, but you can only get away with it so much that when collapsing to mono, it can comb filter and have really noticeable phase cancellations at more extreme settings.

+1 - I do all my basement hackery in stereo so I tend to forget collapsing to mono is common in the real world

 

[Thenewexhibit]

+1 - I do all my basement hackery in stereo so I tend to forget collapsing to mono is common in the real world

Hahah got ya! It’s fun in the ears! But can get a little smeary depending on the system you play through when playing out!