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Slayer play way too loud. It's honestly cringe. I remember when they were doing the shows with Megadeth for the Rust in Peace tour. Megadeth played and sounded great.... And then Slayer come on stage... It was so loud my ears instantly start hurting / ringing like crazy. There was absolutely nothing enjoyable about that for me at all.

Unless you enjoy having your hearing damaged. In that case Slayer is the best live band ever.
 
cole lewis said:
Slayer play way too loud. It's honestly cringe. I remember when they were doing the shows with Megadeth for the Rust in Peace tour. Megadeth played and sounded great.... And then Slayer come on stage... It was so loud my ears instantly start hurting / ringing like crazy. There was absolutely nothing enjoyable about that for me at all.

Unless you enjoy having your hearing damaged. In that case Slayer is the best live band ever.
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I’ve seen slayer 4 or 5 times, it was great everytime, the lasr show I saw sounded really great. The moment where it was loud was in the solo parts. The boost was amazing but clear at the same time . This is in my top 3 metal band with Metallica and old sepultura. I’m ultra fan . I learned a lot from them and play their whole disco. These guys are my teachers and I learn playing speed because of them. I play these records everytime … it’s like a morning jog to me .

I saw megadeth 2 times and they were my worst metal shows ever. Seriously. Ultra crappy sound, ultra crappy voice, the stage presence 🤦. The one when they play after slayer, I quit in the middle of the show. It was so terrible … I never quit show, I think it is the first time it happens. I like the rust in piece album and their old stuff a little bit, but yeah I don’t like megadeth globally
 
My name is mud said:
Exactly . The more it goes, the more I rediscover life when I listen to old records where the tone was dirty, where there was feedback and noise. Without it it’s sterile. And yeah silent stage particulary in bar and small stage suck. When you are in front of the band, you only hear the drums as the guitars are on the PA. Most of the time the guitars are eaten when they play through modelers. Back in the days, when you go to see a band with cranked stacks on stage it immediately make you move, it was loud, it was rock n roll. Now the public is not caught by the sound, they don’t move anymore, watching a band without amps is …talking about small places hm, underground stuff. When you see a band in a big place that’s not a problem.

Last time I listen back to the first soulfly album for example. That sound . Nothing to compare with sterile modern production . I love technology too, but sometimes you rediscover life when you go back . That’s why i don’t like nowadays bands globally . They play good but this is not rock n roll. i listen to 60’s to 90’s band most of the time . After 2000 it s hard to find good records . Don’t care if I am old. To me that’s the same difference than watching porn or being with your girlfriend. Metal and rock n roll is all about energy, speed, aggression normally, perfection is not a feeling. When you do angry music it should be rough somewhere, because sadness, angriness it’s not « a line ». Same for singers, same for everything. Sometimes a guy can be out of tune, but he lived his music so you are touched . All the errors make things human .
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The issue IMO, is everything is edited to death. I watched a YouTube recording engineer who does metal explain to his audience that you have to edit the drums so each hit is on the line/beat. He says every engineer does this now and you need to, to sound professional. This is the issue. No feel!

I used a console and tape machines until about 4 years ago. I sold both my 1" 16 track Teac decks and went all digital instead of to tape and transferring to digital.

I still tell the guys to play to a click, however I refuse to edit stuff. As a producer if I don't like the timing I make them do it again. In a song I will only allow a puch in if let's say the solo is a disaster but everything else is good. I don't want beat perfect, I want them to play to the feeling like a jazz player does.
To me this is much better and makes for better writing and feeling when listening back. I use tricks to get some tape sound on my recordings when I want to. I have 2 really nice devices that emulate tape that I can send anything through and get the head bump and noise, plus soft clipping and rounding the transients.

These all make for better music in my opinion.
 
jamesmarshall said:
The issue IMO, is everything is edited to death.
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yep i see great covers online then when you look at the process its 5-7 plugins on guitar alone a bunch of other plugins for bass etc. with additional master bus plugin. just kills the fun . the 100 takes and the other editing that goes behind back to play in time is another shit.
While it is great to hear , certainly its not how they remotely sound playing a room or at a venue with acoustic reinforcement .
The sound in a room / venue when someone plays live is always more superior in my eyes to anything prerecorded to a daw (unless its a bad player who cannot play clean)
 
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jamesmarshall said:
The issue IMO, is everything is edited to death. I watched a YouTube recording engineer who does metal explain to his audience that you have to edit the drums so each hit is on the line/beat. He says every engineer does this now and you need to, to sound professional. This is the issue. No feel!

I used a console and tape machines until about 4 years ago. I sold both my 1" 16 track Teac decks and went all digital instead of to tape and transferring to digital.

I still tell the guys to play to a click, however I refuse to edit stuff. As a producer of I don't like the timing I make them do it again. In a song I will only allow a puch in if let's say the solo is a disaster but everything else is good. I don't want beat perfect, I want them to play to the feeling like a jazz player does.
To me this is much better and makes for better writing and feeling when listening back. I use tricks to get some tape sound on my recordings when I want to. I have 2 really nice devices that emulate tape that I can send anything through and get the head bump and noise, plus soft clipping and rounding the transients.

These all make for better music in my opinion.
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I have done +20 records, all my rythm parts are played to the beginning of the end of the song in one take.
If I made a mistake, i redo the whole song. I never do copy paste, I hate all form of editing . It’s like lying to myself . And that’s why all my YouTube covers videos got mistakes. Don’t care, that’s me. These guys, they edit everything and live they are not able to play their stuff. Pathetic . How many djent band openers i’s seen live where the music video got a « Jurassic park » movie production and live they were terrible.
 
My name is mud said:
I’ve seen slayer 4 or 5 times, it was great everytime, the lasr show I saw sounded really great. The moment where it was loud was in the solo parts. The boost was amazing but clear at the same time . This is in my top 3 metal band with Metallica and old sepultura. I’m ultra fan . I learned a lot from them and play their whole disco. These guys are my teachers and I learn playing speed because of them. I play these records everytime … it’s like a morning jog to me .

I saw megadeth 2 times and they were my worst metal shows ever. Seriously. Ultra crappy sound, ultra crappy voice, the stage presence 🤦. The one when they play after slayer, I quit in the middle of the show. It was so terrible … I never quit show, I think it is the first time it happens. I like the rust in piece album and their old stuff a little bit, but yeah I don’t like megadeth globally
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I will say Dave's voice was on the mickey mouse spectrum at my show.. BUT the guitars sounded epic, everything other than the vocals was 10/10.

Megadave seems to switch rigs more than anyone so the consistency over the years probably isn't very good.
 
My name is mud said:
I have done +20 records, all my rythm parts are played to the beginning of the end of the song in one take.
If I made a mistake, i redo the whole song. I never do copy paste, I hate all form of editing . It’s like lying to myself . And that’s why all my YouTube covers videos got mistakes. Don’t care, that’s me. These guys, they edit everything and live they are not able to play their stuff. Pathetic . How many djent band openers i’s seen live where the music video got a « Jurassic park » movie production and live they were terrible.
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Yep, totally agree!

I am exactly the same. As I mentioned I come from the days of recording to tape, so I just like you record the whole song all the way through. I think the most takes I took was on my first solo record in '92 when I did 4 takes for one track I was having a hard time nailing a sweep going into a tapping and slide lick. I recorded the lead track for the whole song start to finish, not just a punch in for the solo. To me it sounds more natural and keep the felling the song was meant to project. At least for me, I need to feel the song while I am playing and have to tap my foot to it and get into it, or it does sound sterile or like I am practicing and not really playing it.

Ok, back on topic.
 
cole lewis said:
Slayer play way too loud. It's honestly cringe. I remember when they were doing the shows with Megadeth for the Rust in Peace tour. Megadeth played and sounded great.... And then Slayer come on stage... It was so loud my ears instantly start hurting / ringing like crazy. There was absolutely nothing enjoyable about that for me at all.

Unless you enjoy having your hearing damaged. In that case Slayer is the best live band ever.
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i saw them a million years ago opening for Judas Priest and Slayer was nothing but a loud mash of noise. Couldn’t make out anything discernible at all.


Priest on the other hand sounded amazing.
 
How is everyone feeling about the Friedman boost for the metulz?

I wasn't really expecting that much but this thing rips.
 
Gregmang said:
i saw them a million years ago opening for Judas Priest and Slayer was nothing but a loud mash of noise. Couldn’t make out anything discernible at all.


Priest on the other hand sounded amazing.
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Yep, that was my experience as well. Felt like having daggers shoved into my ears.
 
cole lewis said:
How is everyone feeling about the Friedman boost for the metulz?

I wasn't really expecting that much but this thing rips.
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I ve tried it quickly until now, first I got tricked while turning the boost to zero before discovering that this knob act like a volume 😅 but yeah this boost seems interesting I need to retry it
 
jamesmarshall said:
The issue IMO, is everything is edited to death. I watched a YouTube recording engineer who does metal explain to his audience that you have to edit the drums so each hit is on the line/beat. He says every engineer does this now and you need to, to sound professional. This is the issue. No feel!

I used a console and tape machines until about 4 years ago. I sold both my 1" 16 track Teac decks and went all digital instead of to tape and transferring to digital.

I still tell the guys to play to a click, however I refuse to edit stuff. As a producer if I don't like the timing I make them do it again. In a song I will only allow a puch in if let's say the solo is a disaster but everything else is good. I don't want beat perfect, I want them to play to the feeling like a jazz player does.
To me this is much better and makes for better writing and feeling when listening back. I use tricks to get some tape sound on my recordings when I want to. I have 2 really nice devices that emulate tape that I can send anything through and get the head bump and noise, plus soft clipping and rounding the transients.

These all make for better music in my opinion.
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It’s weird my gate is very quiet and I have not really moved from defaults

James , Very true it’s a very mathematical process now , many of the modern drummers are using triggers which is just like a reamping of the drums but it kind of kills the feel
Same thing with the modern daws and software it’s all about quantizing and making thing hit at exactly the same velocity massive multi band compression on the guitars

Very different sound compared to your old Van Halen , Kiss
Metallica records
Plus I think it was much more and art with skill involved
As much as I like Chris Lord Algae
Or Howard Benson all those guys just pull up a template so whether
It Hinder , Daughtry , Nickleback
It all kind of sounds the same
With that polish

Oh and back on topic killer firmware as always
 
My name is mud said:
I ve tried it quickly until now, first I got tricked while turning the boost to zero before discovering that this knob act like a volume 😅 but yeah this boost seems interesting I need to retry it
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It’s really cool it can boost a clean
Or a crunch Marshall and off course
Kick up a high gain amp or solo
It’s useful for the recto with the additional tight control
 
My name is mud said:
Exactly . The more it goes, the more I rediscover life when I listen to old records where the tone was dirty, where there was feedback and noise. Without it it’s sterile. And yeah silent stage particulary in bar and small stage suck. When you are in front of the band, you only hear the drums as the guitars are on the PA. Most of the time the guitars are eaten when they play through modelers. Back in the days, when you go to see a band with cranked stacks on stage it immediately make you move, it was loud, it was rock n roll. Now the public is not caught by the sound, they don’t move anymore, watching a band without amps is …talking about small places hm, underground stuff. When you see a band in a big place that’s not a problem.

Last time I listen back to the first soulfly album for example. That sound . Nothing to compare with sterile modern production . I love technology too, but sometimes you rediscover life when you go back . That’s why i don’t like nowadays bands globally . They play good but this is not rock n roll. i listen to 60’s to 90’s band most of the time . After 2000 it s hard to find good records . Don’t care if I am old. To me that’s the same difference than watching porn or being with your girlfriend. Metal and rock n roll is all about energy, speed, aggression normally, perfection is not a feeling. When you do angry music it should be rough somewhere, because sadness, angriness it’s not « a line ». Same for singers, same for everything. Sometimes a guy can be out of tune, but he lived his music so you are touched . All the errors make things human .
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I agree ENTIRELY although this should probably be a conversation in the Lounge (would be a comfy weekend discussion), so I will just add that I am so fortunate to have been a 90's teen a short train ride from London (before train prices became extortionate here). Underground metal shows were wild and big acts on big stages still sounded raw and 'off the cuff.'

Back on topic. I only just updated last night and spent some time on the new Recto. Roll on Friday night :)
 
My name is mud said:
Ive tried it quickly until now, first I got tricked while turning the boost to zero before discovering that this knob act like a volume 😅 but yeah this boost seems interesting I need to retry it
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You definitely do not need the boost level to be very high on this one. The boost level at noon is enough for my guitar.
 
Love the new gentle fade engage on Wah block - was doing a bunch of gyrations before to get a no-hiccup Wah engage - now, no longer needed - thank you!
 
My name is mud said:
@jin1995x

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Hi MNIB,

I have seen the discussion on the gate. And seeing your video and listening to the noise, its actually similar to what noise I have at home. It's not the axe fx (you know that), but it's especially something which is very annoying with specific muted notes (including palm mutes) or notes with volume around the treshhold.

I haven't figured out at home what brings the noise, but it also appears when using axe edit and usb. It's actually my PC that seems to bring noise from the non wired mouse and keyboard. But we also have some ventilators (although far away, but maybe those give the noise as well.

Although the noise gates have been improved I still have these noises (but less pronounced). But these specific sounds are very difficult to get out of the guitarsound as they are picked up by a cable or the pickups of the guitar. So they will be part of the input. It would be nice to have a sort of noisecanceling (taken out the noise from the guitar), but that will also mean that these frequencies will be taken out of your guitar signal and therefor your sound will be impacted.

Best to find what is causing the sound in the first place. Or check you gain structure to see how it's amplified and minimize it in the chain (first without any gates at all).

I nowadays I just accept that this noise is there and will dive into it more indepth when I start recording again. And if a system is there that will take it from you guitar sound, go for that. Although I wonder if this sound can be taken out without impacting the sound.

What systems have you tried that work?
 
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